Hurricanes v B&I Lions
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@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@booboo do you know if they (anyone other than NZR) operate under the same concussion protocols as us?
As I have mentioned before, we seem (based purely in my rugby fan watcher opinion) to have more players on the sidelines through concussion than anyone else, which makes me wonder if we have better systems in place right now.
Cane looked like he needed to have a check on Saturday and didn't come off the park.
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@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@booboo do you know if they (anyone other than NZR) operate under the same concussion protocols as us?
As I have mentioned before, we seem (based purely in my rugby fan watcher opinion) to have more players on the sidelines through concussion than anyone else, which makes me wonder if we have better systems in place right now.
No I don't
But given recent developments I find it hard to believe that a player obviously knocked out twice in two weeks is still playing.
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Found this on the World Rugby website:
Individual member Unions are strongly encouraged to develop their own guidelines and policies, and must use this Concussion Guidance as minimum standards. -
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
Lions squad to play the Canes:
1 Joe Marler – Harlequins, England, #811
2 Rory Best (c) – Ulster, Ireland, #793
3 Dan Cole – Leicester Tigers, England, #794
4 Iain Henderson – Ulster, Ireland, #808
5 Courtney Lawes – Northampton Saints, England, #826
6 James Haskell – Wasps, England, #823
7 Justin Tipuric – Ospreys, Wales, #786
8 CJ Stander – Munster, Ireland, #831
9 Greig Laidlaw – Gloucester, Scotland, #810
10 Dan Biggar – Ospreys, Wales, #821
11 George North – Northampton Saints, Wales, #792
12 Robbie Henshaw – Leinster, Ireland, #824
13 Jonathan Joseph – Bath Rugby, England, #809
14 Tommy Seymour – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland, #813
15 Jack Nowell – Exeter Chiefs, England, #828Reserves:
16 Kristian Dacey – Cardiff Blues, Wales
17 Allan Dell – Edinburgh Rugby, Scotland, ~834
18 Tomas Francis – Exeter Chiefs, Wales
19 Cory Hill – Newport Gwent Dragons, Wales
20 George Kruis – Saracens, England, # 817
21 Gareth Davies – Scarlets, Wales
22 Finn Russell – Glasgow Warriors, Scotland
23 Jared Payne – Ulster, Ireland, #830
Best foot forward to face Hurricanes - British & Irish Lions
Rory Best will captain The British & Irish Lions against the Hurricanes at Westpac Stadium on Tuesday.
Realistically only Lawes, Tipuric, North and Nowell playing for 2nd Test squad inclusion.
Best, Stander, Biggar, Joseph last chance for 3rd Test squad.
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@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@booboo do you know if they (anyone other than NZR) operate under the same concussion protocols as us?
As I have mentioned before, we seem (based purely in my rugby fan watcher opinion) to have more players on the sidelines through concussion than anyone else, which makes me wonder if we have better systems in place right now.
Cane looked like he needed to have a check on Saturday and didn't come off the park.
Cane was concussed several weeks ago, when he had himself taken off despite being able to pass concussion protocols, so you would hope/expect he was aware of what concussion was in this case.
Not being an arse but do you know what your protocols are?
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@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@taniwharugby said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@booboo do you know if they (anyone other than NZR) operate under the same concussion protocols as us?
As I have mentioned before, we seem (based purely in my rugby fan watcher opinion) to have more players on the sidelines through concussion than anyone else, which makes me wonder if we have better systems in place right now.
Cane looked like he needed to have a check on Saturday and didn't come off the park.
Cane was concussed several weeks ago, when he had himself taken off despite being able to pass concussion protocols, so you would hope/expect he was aware of what concussion was in this case.
Not being an arse but do you know what your protocols are?
No I don't. All anyone knows is the World Rugby minimum. Beyond that, it's a team by team protocol which may or may not be in the public domain.
If you look up 'oxymoron' in the dictionary one of the meanings is 'aware of concussion'
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@MiketheSnow one of the Blues Doctors was on the radio a few weeks back after Piers Francis was knocked out in SA and talked through the process in NZ, the sideline one alone is 10 minutes.
As I said, I only make the comment as we have a lot of players struggling with concussion, so possibly with better systems in place.
Big emphasis on it at Junior level too. A boy in the opposition was suspected of concussion last weekend (issued a 'blue card') ach coach is given a card with the basics, fortunately the St Johns were on hand anyway, and they were still sitting keeping an eye on him and talking with him 15 minutes after the game.
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@taniwharugby Getting off-topic, but in Aussie the blue card is being trialled in Canberra and Newcastle; in SA in all SA Rugby youth week tournaments in 2017" and in France they are going to trial it in the Fédérale 1 division and the women's Top 8. So, hopefully, it will spread further and be adopted after all the respective trials.
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@Bovidae said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
No excuses for the Canes as only BB, TJP and Ardie are missing. I am ignoring Coles as a longterm absentee.
The Chiefs were really weakened by having no ABs released and the Maori game only 3 days earlier.
There's a few others who'd probably be in a best matchday 23 missing including a few other long term injuries - Proctor, Goodes, Fatialofa, Uhila.
TAB has the Lions at $1.52, Canes at $2.40. Seems about right to me and I'm not tempted by the Canes at that price.
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@Chris-B. you'd have to think a few more of the mid-week squad will be in with a shout for the 2nd test too, so a lot to play for.
Similarly, I'd of thought Jordie would be a good bet for a bench spot if Smith doesn't come right, Laumape a bench option too.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - plenty for them to play for. Test spots, otherwise for many it will be their last ever game for the Lions. Chance to ensure at worst a 5-5 tour record. And they've had a few games together to get combinations working.
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@Chris-B. I was talking about players who could play in the match not those out with injuries.
For the same reason I'm not claiming that the Chiefs were missing Graham and Weber either. The latter was sitting in front of me at the Chiefs-Lions game.
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I'm going to this game. Only game of the tour I got tickets for. I'm very very happy that the fringe ABs have been released, that's a pretty good team.
I'd have been gutted if we'd put out a pathetic Chiefs-like team. I didn't really consider that it was midweek between tests when I bought the tickets (which I actually think are good value $wise).
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@Bovidae said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
No excuses for the Canes as only BB, TJP and Ardie are missing. I am ignoring Coles as a longterm absentee.
The Chiefs were really weakened by having no ABs released and the Maori game only 3 days earlier.
Yes, only those 3 easily replaceable and not at all key players
I know what you mean, but those 3 plus Coles are probably the most important in the team.
Still, they'll be in a much better condition that the Chiefs were.
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Can't see the Canes scrum standing up enough. The Lions have worked how to use it as an exit strategy and point generator. If they can get that going this week, they'll win comfortably. I'm not sure if that Hurricanes 5 (8) can front up. If so, this could be a super fun game to watch. I'm planning to knock off work early anyway
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
Can't see the Canes scrum standing up enough. The Lions have worked how to use it as an exit strategy and point generator. If they can get that going this week, they'll win comfortably. I'm not sure if that Hurricanes 5 (8) can front up. If so, this could be a super fun game to watch. I'm planning to knock off work early anyway
Probably. But not 100% sure.
The Lions scrum has been seriously unimpressive on the tighthead side imo all tour.
May, who got dominated in the Moari game while playing TH is playing LH for the Canes. So he will be up against what has been the weakest side so far for the Lions.
Unless Cole has improved immensely and/or is gunning for a test spot like a man possessed.
Will be a good test for JTA on the TH side up against the more impressive Lions looseheads.
Certainly would expect the Lions scrum to dominate by the time the subs come on though, at least.
Edit. Actually gone and looked up tbe teamsheets. Lions subs are the controversial geographically handy add ons. Canes subs are alright. Will be interesting, dominance at sub time not a given.
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Halfpenny comes onto the bench in place of Payne for this one, after the latter reported having a headache.
