Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?
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@antipodean said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Rapido said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Dummy runners is another bugbear of mine.
Agreed. There's a lot of dummy runners who continue moving into the defensive line as the defence drifts, actively hindering the defenders from being able to place themselves in a good position. These attackers are all violating law 11.1
The other, and everyone complains about it, is not enforcing a proper feed at scrums. I don't like teams the scrums for penalties, but a strong scrum should be rewarded for its dominance. Not having a scrumhalf feeding into the backrow as his forwards go skating backwards.
I'd also change scrum penalties to freekicks unless it's dangerous play.
Like specifically for the second para.
Don't disagree on first para.
But less of a fan of third as they'll just reset the scrum (and if really strong keep going for the same result until the ref penalises them).
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@jegga said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Slightly off tangent, I was reading Norm Hewitts book and and the end he talks about the future of the game. It was written at the time brumbieleague was very effective and he suggested that rugby should bring in a rule that the team should be 10 m back from the halfback at rucktime. Yeah nah. Not quite as odd as Martin Devlin wanting to bring in the 40/20 rule.
40/20? Nah
In league I believe the idea of that is to try and force the wingers to hang back thus creating space to actually try and run the ball late in the tackle count.
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@Nepia said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Two goes at a maul for me. I hate how a maul can stop dead/move sideways/move backwards and the attacking team gets another go. If it stops dead/goes completely sideways/and goes backwards and stops then that maul should be over.
I don't know why we have any law allowing a stop in play and re-start when the maul already has a law allowing players in front of the ball.
FYI - I don't mind the maul with one stoppage, how it used to be.
I'll say it again. Removing the maul remives the abilitybto concentrate defenders and create space wider. Mauls are great.
They brought back the ability to restart a maul albeit only once as this aspect of play was lost and defenders were just able to fan across the field stifling play.
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@pukunui said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
The maul is my main gumble but i have talked about that plenty of times so won't go on about it again.
Grounding the ball against the base of the post to score is one i think is stupid.
Drop goal attempts that miss and go dead being a 22 restart instead of a scrum back where the kick was attempted from i think should change.
Diving on an emerging ball or something similar was something that Richie got for a couple of times late in his career. Stupid law. If the ball is out then you should be able to dive on it.
Im sure there are more. Plenty of ones where i think interpretation should be changed to make it more consistent.
Disagree with paras 1 2 and 3.
Agree with para 4. However i think there is or at least was a law that prevented you going off your feet within a metre of a tackled ball , and this may apply to a ruck as well. Which prevents pile ups. Remember those from the and 70s and 80s?
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@Rapido said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Not a rule change.
But need to address the head patting plague that has infested the game.
You pat someone's head and mock them, decision reversed, unsportsmanlike behaviour- free kick.
A "no dickheads rule".
This! And backs rushing in to "congratulate" their forwards for winning a scrum penalty.
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@booboo said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@pukunui said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
The maul is my main gumble but i have talked about that plenty of times so won't go on about it again.
Grounding the ball against the base of the post to score is one i think is stupid.
Drop goal attempts that miss and go dead being a 22 restart instead of a scrum back where the kick was attempted from i think should change.
Diving on an emerging ball or something similar was something that Richie got for a couple of times late in his career. Stupid law. If the ball is out then you should be able to dive on it.
Im sure there are more. Plenty of ones where i think interpretation should be changed to make it more consistent.
Disagree with paras 1 2 and 3.
Agree with para 4. However i think there is or at least was a law that prevented you going off your feet within a metre of a tackled ball , and this may apply to a ruck as well. Which prevents pile ups. Remember those from the and 70s and 80s?
No, im not old like the rest of you b*stards
I don't agree that a maul is used to suck in defenders and spinning it wide. They are largely used to play for repeated penalties or push over tries.Not sure why you disagree with the base of the post thing. It is a stupid loophole that changes the try line for a LINE to a line with little undefendable sections jutting out towards the attacking team.
Don't see why the restart from a missed drop goal should be any different to a kick. Often long range drop goals are a speculative tactic that has gone wrong. Much like a touch finder that has gone lobg. Why should they be treated like a penalty kick?
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@antipodean said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Rapido said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Dummy runners is another bugbear of mine.
The other, and everyone complains about it, is not enforcing a proper feed at scrums. I don't like teams the scrums for penalties, but a strong scrum should be rewarded for its dominance. Not having a scrumhalf feeding into the backrow as his forwards go skating backwards.
On a similar note (agree that the scrum feeds are getting ridiculous), but I don't see a problem with a quick heel as the forwards go skating backwards.
i hate the tendency for a penalty to the attacking team even though the ball comes out on the inferior side - Peyper did this a while ago and it was fucked
You're getting shit ball in that situation and that's a big disadvantage.
Also it encourages a game built solely around dominant scrums to earn penalties regardless with what happens to the ball. - The fucken game is all about the ball and possession, not who can push best at a restart.Might be an injury issue (ok) but we've all played in teams with weak scrums and you understand that you get shit ball form that but that's up to you - not to be losing penalties for it unless you can't get the ball out.
Equivalent would be a penalty everytime you retrieved a messy tap back from a lineout from your braindead forwards (Just for you Boo
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Yeah a try for the base of the posts was ok (ish) when we had hessian sacks filled with old socks stapled to the posts for padding but not with these 1 metre pansy pads they have nowadays.
always wanted to see a runaway intercept dotted at the base as a fuck you to the lawmakers - leave the ball there, (not having crossed the line) for the goalkicker and jog back to halfway
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@Siam said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Yeah a try for the base of the posts was ok (ish) when we had hessian sacks filled with old socks stapled to the posts for padding but not with these 1 metre pansy pads they have nowadays.
always wanted to see a runaway intercept dotted at the base as a fuck you to the lawmakers - leave the ball there, (not having crossed the line) for the goalkicker and jog back to halfway
I wouldn't want to do that in a tight game though - you know, ref's interpretation and all that.
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@Catogrande said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Siam said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Yeah a try for the base of the posts was ok (ish) when we had hessian sacks filled with old socks stapled to the posts for padding but not with these 1 metre pansy pads they have nowadays.
always wanted to see a runaway intercept dotted at the base as a fuck you to the lawmakers - leave the ball there, (not having crossed the line) for the goalkicker and jog back to halfway
I wouldn't want to do that in a tight game though - you know, ref's interpretation and all that.
Rules a rule Cato. But i know what you mean as I too have seen Wayne Barnes at work
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The 22 restart after a missed drop goal that goes dead is one that O would change. A scrum from where the attempt is taken should be an option. Getting the ball back for not executing isn't in the spirit of many other facets of the game.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
The 22 restart after a missed drop goal that goes dead is one that O would change. A scrum from where the attempt is taken should be an option. Getting the ball back for not executing isn't in the spirit of many other facets of the game.
Great idea. Brings it in line with the overkicked kickoff as well (dead in goal or touch on full) where the receiving team has an option of a scrum restart at the centre
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
The 22 restart after a missed drop goal that goes dead is one that O would change. A scrum from where the attempt is taken should be an option. Getting the ball back for not executing isn't in the spirit of many other facets of the game.
I used to be all for that but have moderated my stance on it with the proclivity of scoring tries, i.e. not so many droppies now are there? And DC's WRC final monster!
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@Siam said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Yeah a try for the base of the posts was ok (ish) when we had hessian sacks filled with old socks stapled to the posts for padding but not with these 1 metre pansy pads they have nowadays.
always wanted to see a runaway intercept dotted at the base as a fuck you to the lawmakers - leave the ball there, (not having crossed the line) for the goalkicker and jog back to halfway
How young are you blokes? This has been done loads...heard of a guy called Tana Umaga?
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@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Siam said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Yeah a try for the base of the posts was ok (ish) when we had hessian sacks filled with old socks stapled to the posts for padding but not with these 1 metre pansy pads they have nowadays.
always wanted to see a runaway intercept dotted at the base as a fuck you to the lawmakers - leave the ball there, (not having crossed the line) for the goalkicker and jog back to halfway
How young are you blokes? This has been done loads...heard of a guy called Tana Umaga?
Then give Steve Walsh a high five. So good.
Back in the days when pumping Auckland at Eden Park was a big deal.
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@JayCee said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
"how the fuck was he supposed to roll away" - you will no doubt hear me say this from time to time - so i guess that mine, where the rule needs to be a bit more pragmatic.
That one should possibly have the option to the ref of a free-kick for the times when a players is truly trapped by opposition players and unable to move. It wouldn't get used much but would be good to have a second option.
In those situations a penalty can be really harsh and concede points for no fault. -
The ball isn't thrown straight into the lineout, but the non-throwing side win the ball anyhow. They spin it out wide where the centre spills the ball. The refs calls it back for a scrum "no advantage". They won a lineout they weren't expecting to, that is advantage enough for me.
