How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?
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Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina you can take to the bank. Also think Ofa is close to a show-in given his versatility. If one of those 4 go down in the warmup he is seen as a versatile option to cover both sides. Definitely a work in progress, but he has size and a decent work rate.
Locks will be interesting beyond our two world class starters. Will they go with 4 or 5? Will the 5th option be a blindside cover? Or just pick 4 and have 6 loosies. Not a fan of Kaino, Read or Squire playing lock, but given our two starters are 80 minute men, the whole Squire/Savea bench seemed to be the favoured one last year. Albeit Romano had time away from camp and Tuipoluto was going through issues.
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@ACT-Crusader said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina you can take to the bank. Also think Ofa is close to a show-in given his versatility. If one of those 4 go down in the warmup he is seen as a versatile option to cover both sides. Definitely a work in progress, but he has size and a decent work rate.
Locks will be interesting beyond our two world class starters. Will they go with 4 or 5? Will the 5th option be a blindside cover? Or just pick 4 and have 6 loosies. Not a fan of Kaino, Read or Squire playing lock, but given our two starters are 80 minute men, the whole Squire/Savea bench seemed to be the favoured one last year. Albeit Romano had time away from camp and Tuipoluto was going through issues.
IIRC Hames can play both sides, and I'd much rather him than Ofa, who seems quite average really.
As much as Bird has his fans, I can't see them going past Retallick and the 3 locks from Crusaders country, who have all been in great form.
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@Bones said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
I'm pretty sure Hames is only a loose head. Haven't seen him in at tighthead before.
Yep, loosehead only.
I think the Sunwolves cleverly exploited Hames modus operandi the other week.
He has built his scrummaging wins on diving under the opposition TH and driving up. He maged one spectacular example of this in that game but more often they got his timing and drove him down as he dived under. To the ref this looks like him pulling his side down.
Very effective player when he gets his game right though and is probably in the LH queue. -
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
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This is the squad I expect to see named. All the key players with injuries just coming right will be named.
5 Props: Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina, Ofa
3 Hookers Coles, Taylor, Coltman
4 Locks: BBBR, Whitelock, Romano, S Barrett
6 Loose Forwards: Cane, Read, Kaino, A Savea, Todd, Squire3 Halfbacks: TJP, TKB, A Smith
3 10s: BB, AC, Sopoaga
4 Midfielders: Crotty, ALB, SBW, R Ioane
4 Outsides: B Smith, Dagg, J Savea, Naholo
1 Utility: D MacThose invited to camp to hear the gameplan as 'just in case' call ups would include. If anyone is out for the series early on then these are the next in line.
Hames, Laulala
Harris
Bird, PT, Fifita
Luatua, Dixon, Shields, A Ioane
Pulu
Fekitoa, Ngatai
NMS
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
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@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
This is the squad I expect to see named. All the key players with injuries just coming right will be named.
5 Props: Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina, Ofa
3 Hookers Coles, Taylor, Coltman
4 Locks: BBBR, Whitelock, Romano, S Barrett
6 Loose Forwards: Cane, Read, Kaino, A Savea, Todd, Squire3 Halfbacks: TJP, TKB, A Smith
3 10s: BB, AC, Sopoaga
4 Midfielders: Crotty, ALB, SBW, R Ioane
4 Outsides: B Smith, Dagg, J Savea, Naholo
1 Utility: D MacThose invited to camp to hear the gameplan as 'just in case' call ups would include. If anyone is out for the series early on then these are the next in line.
Hames, Laulala
Harris
Bird, PT, Fifita
Luatua, Dixon, Shields, A Ioane
Pulu
Fekitoa, Ngatai
NMS
JBHarris will get the 3rd hooking spot IMO. Fekitoa will be ahead of Ioane for the midfield. NMS will be in ahead of Naholo if back from injury. Don't reckon McKenzie will be near the reduced squad - I'd rate JB a better chance. Interestingly Hansen name-dropped Shields the other day - I'd rate him a better chance than Dixon of making an extended squad.
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@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
Sorry to burst your bubble, and I'm not trying to be incendiary, but that's just the way it is. You'll always get bands of wealthy tourists, mainly from England, but they're not really representative. In general, people don't really care. Sorry!!
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
Hang on I'll try some NH outrage.
"Outrageous, typical Kiwis ramming dancing down our throats, time-wasting, gives them an advantage because... err... because.. "
Nah fuckit, whatever grabs your fancy. Go for it.
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@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Crucial said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
This is the squad I expect to see named. All the key players with injuries just coming right will be named.
5 Props: Moody, Crockett, Franks, Faumuina, Ofa
3 Hookers Coles, Taylor, Coltman
4 Locks: BBBR, Whitelock, Romano, S Barrett
6 Loose Forwards: Cane, Read, Kaino, A Savea, Todd, Squire3 Halfbacks: TJP, TKB, A Smith
3 10s: BB, AC, Sopoaga
4 Midfielders: Crotty, ALB, SBW, R Ioane
4 Outsides: B Smith, Dagg, J Savea, Naholo
1 Utility: D MacThose invited to camp to hear the gameplan as 'just in case' call ups would include. If anyone is out for the series early on then these are the next in line.
Hames, Laulala
Harris
Bird, PT, Fifita
Luatua, Dixon, Shields, A Ioane
Pulu
Fekitoa, Ngatai
NMS
JBHarris will get the 3rd hooking spot IMO. Fekitoa will be ahead of Ioane for the midfield. NMS will be in ahead of Naholo if back from injury. Don't reckon McKenzie will be near the reduced squad - I'd rate JB a better chance. Interestingly Hansen name-dropped Shields the other day - I'd rate him a better chance than Dixon of making an extended squad.
Harris is an unknown at the moment although I agree that he will overtake Coltman if playing well or the obvious choice if Coles is out.
Not sure about Fekitoa. He just isn't looking like an AB at the moment. You may be right that he gets the nod based on experience in the AB systems though.
I don't know if they'll take the risk of an underdone NMS without seeing him play in the Maori game. Also, if going for four outside backs plus a utility you need a second power winger.
DMac has experience over JB and brings something different to the table. At this current point in time he is simply a better player than JB and plays more of a Ben Smith type game. Also offers options from the bench especially if we are looking to play the Lions off the park pace wise..Shields AND Dixon to get a playbook for homework.
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@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
Sorry to burst your bubble, and I'm not trying to be incendiary, but that's just the way it is. You'll always get bands of wealthy tourists, mainly from England, but they're not really representative. In general, people don't really care. Sorry!!
OK, the general public, maybe not too much, but given the population of the NH, there are enough keen rugby fans to sell out all the games. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it, but there will be a sizeable TV audience from the NH watching the games, myself included - the tour is big TV money.
You are welcome of course not to watch the games since you have no interest.
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@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
Sorry to burst your bubble, and I'm not trying to be incendiary, but that's just the way it is. You'll always get bands of wealthy tourists, mainly from England, but they're not really representative. In general, people don't really care. Sorry!!
OK, the general public, maybe not too much, but given the population of the NH, there are enough keen rugby fans to sell out all the games. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it, but there will be a sizeable TV audience from the NH watching the games, myself included - the tour is big TV money.
You are welcome of course not to watch the games since you have no interest.
Thanks very much for your permission.
It seems to be a touchy subject for some reason but that's the reality. Even avid rugby fans are a bit meh about it. Some love it, some hate it, and most just aren't really bothered. It's not like playing for a national team. Sky TV overhype it, of course, as they pay for it. If it wasn't for the TV money they provide, the Lions may not have existed at this stage. -
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
Sorry to burst your bubble, and I'm not trying to be incendiary, but that's just the way it is. You'll always get bands of wealthy tourists, mainly from England, but they're not really representative. In general, people don't really care. Sorry!!
OK, the general public, maybe not too much, but given the population of the NH, there are enough keen rugby fans to sell out all the games. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it, but there will be a sizeable TV audience from the NH watching the games, myself included - the tour is big TV money.
You are welcome of course not to watch the games since you have no interest.
@Billy-Tell - you're fighting fire with logic/reason. Crazy approach. Fire (blanket statements about an entire hemisphere's opinions with zero supporting/backup information or even anecdotes) must be fought with fire...
- Everybody in the NH views this Lions tour as being more important than two World Cups combined, and if there is one more haka - it will be perceived as influencing the match and lawyers are certain to become involved.
Of course, if you DID want to proceed with a rational retort to the man, by all means feel free to cite the number of newspaper articles written by NH scribes on the topic, the weeks-long coverage of goddamn rumours before the team was even announced, statistics on the viewership of the live broadcast of the team announcement, etc, etc. And good luck to you.
But I don't think any of that really stands up against a good solid emphatic "Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour". -
@Kruse said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Billy-Tell said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Jenlynx said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@Nepia said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
@mariner4life Because they can.
It will likely infuriate some NH fans too so it's all good!
No it won't. Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour. It's regarded as a bloated overblown cash generation machine.
The obvious reply to this ridiculous generalisation is "why then have so many tickets been sold at high prices to apparently uninterested NH rugby fans"?
Sorry to burst your bubble, and I'm not trying to be incendiary, but that's just the way it is. You'll always get bands of wealthy tourists, mainly from England, but they're not really representative. In general, people don't really care. Sorry!!
OK, the general public, maybe not too much, but given the population of the NH, there are enough keen rugby fans to sell out all the games. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it, but there will be a sizeable TV audience from the NH watching the games, myself included - the tour is big TV money.
You are welcome of course not to watch the games since you have no interest.
@Billy-Tell - you're fighting fire with logic/reason. Crazy approach. Fire (blanket statements about an entire hemisphere's opinions with zero supporting/backup information or even anecdotes) must be fought with fire...
- Everybody in the NH views this Lions tour as being more important than two World Cups combined, and if there is one more haka - it will be perceived as influencing the match and lawyers are certain to become involved.
Of course, if you DID want to proceed with a rational retort to the man, by all means feel free to cite the number of newspaper articles written by NH scribes on the topic, the weeks-long coverage of goddamn rumours before the team was even announced, statistics on the viewership of the live broadcast of the team announcement, etc, etc. And good luck to you.
But I don't think any of that really stands up against a good solid emphatic "Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour".That's a typical delusional response. It's really funny how Sky TV's total overhyping of the Lions squad announcement is seen as a barometer of the level of interest general. Plus the NH journo's writing about it. I know you don't want to hear it, but they're trying to flog a dead horse and get people to watch TV and read newspapers. It's their job!
Rugby followers know that 90% of the rugby writers are complete hacks and don't bother reading them, the rest don't read them because they don't follow rugby.
Again, I'm not trying to stir things up, and there seems to be a level of touchiness about this. Sorry to disappoint you, but it really isn't a big deal in the NH. -
Okay - fair enough. Newspapers and Sky have a vested interest in making this seem more "popular" than it might be. So, ignore that the 4 top Sports stories on the Telegraph website are currently about the Lions. (In a fucking soccer-mad country)...
Anecdotal evidence is the order of the day. It just so happens that there are several NH posters on this very forum. Including PotHale, who immediately refuted that view. Can we still do "polls" on the new platform?
And myself, although I presumably don't count, as a dirty filthy job-stealing immigrant. But I do work with Brits, and discuss the upcoming irrelevant money-spinner with them. And... yeah - nah. -
@Kruse said in How are the AB's tracking heading into the BIL series?:
Okay - fair enough. Newspapers and Sky have a vested interest in making this seem more "popular" than it might be. So, ignore that the 4 top Sports stories on the Telegraph website are currently about the Lions. (In a fucking soccer-mad country)...
Anecdotal evidence is the order of the day. It just so happens that there are several NH posters on this very forum. Including PotHale, who immediately refuted that view. Can we still do "polls" on the new platform?
And myself, although I presumably don't count, as a dirty filthy job-stealing immigrant. But I do work with Brits, and discuss the upcoming irrelevant money-spinner with them. And... yeah - nah.That's fine. You can believe whatever you want.
Look I know rugby is the no.1 sport in NZ, NZ are the best team in the world and will win the Lions series fairly easily - the predictability probably takes a lot of the interest out of it.
So it's understandable that you'd like this to be big news globally and get a lot of international focus - but it won't and most people won't really care either way. -
@Jenlynx you are trying to make an argument from something that evidence totally dismisses.
In the Rugby world the Lions Tour is seen as a massive event that generates money second only to the RWC. That money comes from somewhere. Guess where? Sponsors whose analysis has decreed value for money in reaching interested people; broadcasters that have researched the likely audience levels; and those interested people themselves.
If you want to believe 'Nobody in the NH cares about the Lions tour' go ahead but a pissy little country called NZ can't generate that amount of money on it's own. -
@Jenlynx Cool - agreed, you can believe whatever you want.
I should have followed PotHale's luck, and just wished you luck in not watching it, and not logging on to NZ-based rugby forums to discuss it. Unfortunately, I drank warm beer at lunch, and it upset my constitution.
But now - fare thee well, in not caring about the Lions, and I hope you don't accidentally incite any further discussions about the whole pointless thing. Good luck for your favourite team in the futbal, or whatever it is that does matter.
