Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG
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@NTA said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
Ow fuck that had to hurt
There was a total lack of lube used in that whole series. We were comprehensively bullied and prison raped.
This is not a cattle thing, this is a selection and coaching issue. The BCs seem to have no idea what type of game they are trying to implement, individual skill levels have regressed because no one seems to have any idea on their role except perhaps Guppy -
All out for 147.
Fucking make them row home. That is beyond embarrassing, to be thrashed by over 100 runs in 3 games. Apart from a couple of lone efforts, really, really shithouse collective batting. Like others, I have no idea how Craig McMillan got the job as batting coach. Nicholls can fuck off, too. Nowhere near international quality.
Gah. So pissed off right now.
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@Crucial said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@NTA said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
Ow fuck that had to hurt
There was a total lack of lube used in that whole series. We were comprehensively bullied and prison raped.
This is not a cattle thing, this is a selection and coaching issue. The BCs seem to have no idea what type of game they are trying to implement, individual skill levels have regressed because no one seems to have any idea on their role except perhaps GuppyWho would you have selected who wasn't? I can't really think of one name who warrants selection who was left out of the team. I think we were just thoroughly outclassed by a better team. We had our opportunities and did not take them.
I still think our best ODI side is quite good. Anderson for de Grandhomme, Neesham for Munro, Taylor for Nicholls, Milne or McClenaghan for Ferguson. You have one of the better ODI sides in the world.
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@hydro11 said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@Crucial said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@NTA said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
Ow fuck that had to hurt
There was a total lack of lube used in that whole series. We were comprehensively bullied and prison raped.
This is not a cattle thing, this is a selection and coaching issue. The BCs seem to have no idea what type of game they are trying to implement, individual skill levels have regressed because no one seems to have any idea on their role except perhaps GuppyWho would you have selected who wasn't? I can't really think of one name who warrants selection who was left out of the team. I think we were just thoroughly outclassed by a better team. We had our opportunities and did not take them.
I still think our best ODI side is quite good. Anderson for de Grandhomme, Neesham for Munro, Taylor for Nicholls, Milne or McClenaghan for Ferguson. You have one of the better ODI sides in the world.
It is more the point that the shuffling of players and lack of consistency in roles etc creates a shambles.
Liken the way this team runs against the ABs. They set a structure for the season, identify the best players for that structure (or who can learn their roles), identify the backup players to train alongside, plan for many unknown scenarios and have clear backup ideas when the unknown unknowns hit them.
When they get it wrong it is a mirror of what the BCs do all the time eg Kaino at lock.
The whole selection plan seems to be to paper over gaps or take chances and the gameplan then gets adjusted constantly to fit the players rather than the other way around. -
I have to agree with the above. There's no way the All Blacks selectors would have picked Lockie over Tim in the first game. The selections of Black Caps coaching team makes is seem like they treated this series as if it doesn't matter, whereas the All Blacks selectors treat EVERY series as a must win series.
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@Crucial said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
There was a total lack of lube used in that whole series.
Uh... Was talking about Ferguson copping one on the wrist from Starc. His hand was off the bat so saved him from being caught behind.
Timing of the comment was right at game time
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Fuck you c*nts. That is an embarrassing effort. This is how wallabies supporters feel when they've been fingered like drunk school girls again.
The whole team needs to have a good look at themselves
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The embarrassing thing was , before the series , there was some talk in NZ we are getting the Aussies at a good time
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The worst ODI series I've witnessed in ages. The worst thing was how much it fucked with my sleep patterns. Actually, our batting, bowling and fielding was worse. I don't want to see Munro, CDH or Watling in the ODI side again, and after this series I have to say Santner is very borderline in ODIs too. Latham has to be given the gloves, surely. If and when this happens and we see the returns of Taylor, Neesham and Anderson to shore up the batting, Sodhi comes in to keep things tight at one end for 10 overs and we have our full compliment of quicks in action on home pitches, this'll be a different side.
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@LABCAT said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
I have to agree with the above. There's no way the All Blacks selectors would have picked Lockie over Tim in the first game. The selections of Black Caps coaching team makes is seem like they treated this series as if it doesn't matter, whereas the All Blacks selectors treat EVERY series as a must win series.
I didn't understand that selection when it was made and thought it was a bad one but I now see the logic. Our two best ODI bowlers in recent times have been Henry and Boult. Boult is ranked #1 and Henry is ranked #5 (at least they were before this series started). Therefore, you really have to pick both of them. The selectors obviously wanted something different so went for Ferguson over Southee. Problem was that Ferguson did so poorly in the first ODI that they had to go with Southee for the second. Southee is only ranked as the 28th best ODI bowler in the world. The thing is the selection strategy for the first ODI (of two strike bowlers and something a bit different) was proven correct by the second ODI.
I think we picked our best team in every game using the information we had at the time.
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@Crucial said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@hydro11 said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@Crucial said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@NTA said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
Ow fuck that had to hurt
There was a total lack of lube used in that whole series. We were comprehensively bullied and prison raped.
This is not a cattle thing, this is a selection and coaching issue. The BCs seem to have no idea what type of game they are trying to implement, individual skill levels have regressed because no one seems to have any idea on their role except perhaps GuppyWho would you have selected who wasn't? I can't really think of one name who warrants selection who was left out of the team. I think we were just thoroughly outclassed by a better team. We had our opportunities and did not take them.
I still think our best ODI side is quite good. Anderson for de Grandhomme, Neesham for Munro, Taylor for Nicholls, Milne or McClenaghan for Ferguson. You have one of the better ODI sides in the world.
It is more the point that the shuffling of players and lack of consistency in roles etc creates a shambles.
Liken the way this team runs against the ABs. They set a structure for the season, identify the best players for that structure (or who can learn their roles), identify the backup players to train alongside, plan for many unknown scenarios and have clear backup ideas when the unknown unknowns hit them.
When they get it wrong it is a mirror of what the BCs do all the time eg Kaino at lock.
The whole selection plan seems to be to paper over gaps or take chances and the gameplan then gets adjusted constantly to fit the players rather than the other way around.I think the game plan has to be adjusted to suit the players. There just isn't that many capable players.
The only non injury forced changes happened in the bowling and I think the selectors got those changes completely correct.
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@shark said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
The worst ODI series I've witnessed in ages. The worst thing was how much it fucked with my sleep patterns. Actually, our batting, bowling and fielding was worse. I don't want to see Munro, CDH or Watling in the ODI side again, and after this series I have to say Santner is very borderline in ODIs too. Latham has to be given the gloves, surely. If and when this happens and we see the returns of Taylor, Neesham and Anderson to shore up the batting, Sodhi comes in to keep things tight at one end for 10 overs and we have our full compliment of quicks in action on home pitches, this'll be a different side.
Watling is a better keeper than Latham. Therefore, if you want to bring a batsman in for Watling they need to be better than Watling. You are really looking at Munro, Bruce and Nicholls. I don't know if any of them are significantly better than Watling
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@kiwiinmelb said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
The embarrassing thing was , before the series , there was some talk in NZ we are getting the Aussies at a good time
Australia had been losing, which made it a bad time to get them. They are still number 1 and they showed it.
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@hydro11 said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
I still think our best ODI side is quite good. Anderson for de Grandhomme, Neesham for Munro, Taylor for Nicholls, Milne or McClenaghan for Ferguson. You have one of the better ODI sides in the world.
Yeah - unfortunately seems to be a major challenge getting everyone on the park at the same time.
Biggest problems seem to be finding an opening partner for Guppy (I'm doubtful Latham is suited to this role in ODIs when you need to capitalise on the early fielding restrictions) and a wicket-keeper who can play the Ronchi role.
Guppy
An opener (Latham for now)
Williamson
Taylor
Neesham
Anderson
A keeper (back to Ronchi for now, for me)
Santner
Milne
Southee
BoultSodhi, McClenaghan, Henry, Munro remain in the mix due to there not being anyone better.
Neesham was "find" of the tour for me - that he did well batting at 4.
Santner's batting was one of my biggest disappointments.
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I watched Latham make a decent start and thought he was unlucky to get out; ball not coming on to the bat as he'd expected, I then watched everyone else throw their wicket away. It would have been less a comedy if they just came out and tackled the fucking stumps.
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@Chris-B agree with everything there, and if we get all those blokes fit and on the field at one time then we can beat anyone.
Santner's batting seems to have regressed but he was very good with the ball, went for under 5s overall which is incredible given the scores Aussie put up.
Also, you just cannot compare the ABs to the Black Caps.
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The ABs have a wealth of talent to choose from, whereas the Black Caps have about 4 - 5 world class players that we try and build a team around.
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Rugby and Cricket are completely different sports (obviously). Rugby you can carry a couple of blokes that are not quite up to scratch, but cricket is basically an individual sport played by teams. It wouldn't matter if Nicholls had Don fucking Bradman at the other end, if he can't handle a Starc in-swinging yorker then he won't last. How do you build a game-plan around that?
The series was bloody disappointing overall, but at the end of the day we were relying on a couple of guys playing out of their skin 2 out of the 3 matches if we wanted to win, which while possible was unlikely. We get our top team fit and and on the field at home and we're a completely different proposition.
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Yeah - although I'd argue that only a handful of Aussies really stood up - particularly Warner and Smith with the bat - Starc and Hazlewood with the ball.
None of Finch, Bailey or Marsh had good series with the bat. A few half chances given by Smith and Warner in games 1 and 3 desperately needed to be clung onto - or even more accurately, they were so tough that it was more we needed to somehow find a way to catch them (plus a straightforward one from Head dropped by Henry).
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@hydro11 said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
@shark said in Aus v NZ -Chappell Hadlee series III - MCG:
The worst ODI series I've witnessed in ages. The worst thing was how much it fucked with my sleep patterns. Actually, our batting, bowling and fielding was worse. I don't want to see Munro, CDH or Watling in the ODI side again, and after this series I have to say Santner is very borderline in ODIs too. Latham has to be given the gloves, surely. If and when this happens and we see the returns of Taylor, Neesham and Anderson to shore up the batting, Sodhi comes in to keep things tight at one end for 10 overs and we have our full compliment of quicks in action on home pitches, this'll be a different side.
Watling is a better keeper than Latham. Therefore, if you want to bring a batsman in for Watling they need to be better than Watling. You are really looking at Munro, Bruce and Nicholls. I don't know if any of them are significantly better than Watling
Nicholls will get there, I have no doubt. He's a bit of a project at the moment but he'll settle into the side eventually and for mine he's the long-term replacement for Taylor.
