All Blacks v Ireland II
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
Well I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet and by the sounds of it, haven't missed much.
New Zealand won is the only relevant thing though.
Wonder how the Australia game will go.
Your pack was excellent, especially your backrow.
Your backs didn't really know what to do with the ball, the old chestnuts of Payne in the centres, and Trimble/Kearney in the back three will come into focus again.
I'm rapidly losing interest in the game though, the Irish media going to town with gifs, screenshots, clickbait etc, as if NZ was a bunch of criminals. The criminal element is Australia (many of Irish descent...)
I've learned to view most of the pre- and post-match commentary as just noise. And I don't think one particular country's media is any more hysterical than another when it comes to showing outrage via gifs/clickbait headlines, quotes, etc. As for ref-bashing - waste of time.
21-9 tells its own story. Ireland failed to score even a single try. Game over. Next time they need to do better. 1-1 from the series is a good outcome for the team - all told for a squad that is being slowly developed.
Congrats again to NZ. Wins are what counts at the end of the day.
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
If Akira was playing I think Irish fans would have even more reason to whinge about supposed dirty play. That's actually partly why he isn't there.
He's not a dirty player any more than Coles is. They both like to annoy opposition players, it's been pointed out before that Akira doesn't even get penalised for it, which is more than can be said for Coles.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
If Akira was playing I think Irish fans would have even more reason to whinge about supposed dirty play. That's actually partly why he isn't there.
He's not a dirty player any more than Coles is. They both like to annoy opposition players, it's been pointed out before that Akira doesn't even get penalised for it, which is more than can be said for Coles.
Sorry, came out wrong. I don't think he is a dirty player but his style of play is of the type that seems to make the Irish fans (probably those that just jumped on the bandwagon) get their undies up their cracks.
As far as the AB selectors go I think they want to see a bit more evidence of a cool head. -
@Toddy said in Ireland II:
Fekitoa and Cane have both been cited for alleged dangerous tackles.
Sounds like something Aaron Smith could get done for.
Inevitable really, given the footage and the fuss they made about high tackles before the series. Surprised they didn't look at Sexton's too and maybe even Coles' (was it Coles? Can't remember).
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Even though it's a ridiculous decision, Cane can't play anyway. Not surprised that Fekitoa was cited. His absence will be more of an issue if Crotty isn't fit. Ioane is still green as.
I remember an illegal shoulder charge clean-out by Toner that wasn't even penalised. It was similar to de Jager's in Durban.
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I think Malakai will cop this one for the team. Cane cited just to shut the feral Irish fans up so Fekitoa will get a decent punishment to keep them quiet.
Cane being cited is a black mark against O'Peyper and the TMO though. Basically it is saying that what they deemed as a penalty only was actually worthy of a RC. It's no as if there is further evidence than what they both saw.
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
I think Malakai will cop this one for the team. Cane cited just to shut the feral Irish fans up so Fekitoa will get a decent punishment to keep them quiet.
Cane being cited is a black mark against O'Peyper and the TMO though. Basically it is saying that what they deemed as a penalty only was actually worthy of a RC. It's no as if there is further evidence than what they both saw.
Same thing happened in the Six Nations between England and Ireland. Ref and TMO looked at multiple angles of Brown kicking at the ball with Murray on the floor, decided no action was needed. Citing commissioner disagreed (although it was eventually dropped).
It's not a great look for the refs involved, but it has precedent.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
I think Malakai will cop this one for the team. Cane cited just to shut the feral Irish fans up so Fekitoa will get a decent punishment to keep them quiet.
Cane being cited is a black mark against O'Peyper and the TMO though. Basically it is saying that what they deemed as a penalty only was actually worthy of a RC. It's no as if there is further evidence than what they both saw.
Same thing happened in the Six Nations between England and Ireland. Ref and TMO looked at multiple angles of Brown kicking at the ball with Murray on the floor, decided no action was needed. Citing commissioner disagreed (although it was eventually dropped).
It's not a great look for the refs involved, but it has precedent.
That's what I mean. The refs get marked on their performance and only penalising a RC offence is a black mark.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
Cane's citing is a joke.
If Fekitoa misses the next game, and Ben Smith is out with a mangled hand, and I assume Crotty is still out injured, then have we run out of centres?
ALB-Rieko. I'd actually quite like to see that, both hugely exciting players.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
Cane's citing is a joke.
If Fekitoa misses the next game, and Ben Smith is out with a mangled hand, and I assume Crotty is still out injured, then have we run out of centres?
Was that for the head clash? Terrible call if so
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Crotty was always in line for this game and from what I heard he was running freely last week too, so expect highly likely he'll be back this week
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
Cane's citing is a joke.
If Fekitoa misses the next game, and Ben Smith is out with a mangled hand, and I assume Crotty is still out injured, then have we run out of centres?
ALB-Rieko. I'd actually quite like to see that, both hugely exciting players.
I certainly don't want to see that. Reiko showed in the ITM Cup that he really struggles defensively in the midfield.
He could be last man standing and might be given the jersey but I will be holding my breath big time.
In attack he's excellent but right now I'd love to see him on the wing.
Give the 12 jersey to Jordie Barrett and have ALB at 13 😎
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@canefan said in Ireland II:
@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
Cane's citing is a joke.
If Fekitoa misses the next game, and Ben Smith is out with a mangled hand, and I assume Crotty is still out injured, then have we run out of centres?
Was that for the head clash? Terrible call if so
It wasn't actually a head clash. Reverse angle shows it clearly
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@hydro11 one angle clearly shows their heads impacting, so how anyone can say there was no head clash is beyond me.
Similarly one angle of BB's try shows clear grounding, the other that was shown repeatedly on the big screen makes it look doubtful.
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That's about as clear as it gets. Unfortunate for Cane as I think it was unintentional and Henshaw did spin into him, but it's a shoulder to the head that knocks a player unconscious. He'll get a few weeks' ban.
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@taniwharugby He was damn unlucky. Cane wasn't even looking at the player, he was turning his head to avoid the impact!! Can't we have an inadvertent clash of bodies without blaming one person? The Paddy player spun around straight into Cane when he didn't expect it. You could argue that he headbutted Sam's shoulder
