Black Caps v Pakistan
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I expect none of us are too far apart on Guppy's test career these days.
I heard Flem's comments and a light sort of flashed on for me - that sometimes, people just have got what they've got.
Thing about Guppy is that you can compare him to what went before in Fulton and Rutherford - even now he strikes me as more likely to come off than either of those two ever did.
The real challenge in selecting the NZ test team is that you've got Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Watling and Boult that pretty much pick themselves. The selectors' job is to identify the other six players who are going to do enough in support.
Personally, I'd add Santner to the list above and probably Wagner - and I'm presently inclined towards Neesham.
The last guys are the ones you're going to take heat on.
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@African-Monkey being bad at leaving is less of a fault for a middle order player, so are the hard hands. he's not the best against spin, but then playing in india you get spin after about 3 overs anyway. playing in nz you are likely to face teams with 1 spinner on pitches that don't help them. who have the pakistanis got at the moment?
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@reprobate Yasir Shah and Zulfiqur Babar are their spinners. Shah is a leggie who can turn the ball a long way but as you pointed out, he may not be suited to our conditions. I feel that Babar who is a left armer would be more suited to our conditions as he isn't as big a turner of the ball but can play a holding role for them as he is more at the batsmen with his accuracy.
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Picking Raval is a bit of a hail mary. We know that Guptill isn't up to it and we also know that it would be difficult for Raval or anyone else to do any worse. There is a chance that Raval will flourish against good bowling in a way that Guptill hasn't.
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Really really rubbish by the sounds of it.
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anyone hear the radio breaky show? They had Doull on and he was thinking that Wagner and Neesham would miss out. That was his take on things but Nathan and co reckoned he had the good oil. Seems tough on Wagner but if the wicket stays green then Southee, Boult and Henry are the best choice?
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
anyone hear the radio breaky show? They had Doull on and he was thinking that Wagner and Neesham would miss out. That was his take on things but Nathan and co reckoned he had the good oil. Seems tough on Wagner but if the wicket stays green then Southee, Boult and Henry are the best choice?
I'll nbe gutted for him if that is the case as he has been our best bowler recently
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Agree 100%, I think Wagner is actually pretty good in any conditions. Sure he won't get the swing that Boult or Southee will (but he can reverse it), but the man is a weapon and never gives up. We need someone bringing that kind of heat in our team.
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He is what Australian cricket isn't at the moment, Tough!!!
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I'd go with Boult - Henry - Wagner. Boult and Henry are new ball bowlers, we need someone like Wagner as our third seamer. Southee is a liability at the moment.
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Also I don't think our tour of India was the failure a lot of people seem to be making out. Yeah we losts the tests but we also lost two crucial tosses - we win the toss in both of those matches and it's a lot closer. Then we nearly won our first series ever in India in the ODIs on the back of a couple of very impressive victories (though the last ODI was a bust).
Not a success, but I'd give us a par score overall given the players available and how tough it is to beat India at home.
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
anyone hear the radio breaky show? They had Doull on and he was thinking that Wagner and Neesham would miss out. That was his take on things but Nathan and co reckoned he had the good oil. Seems tough on Wagner but if the wicket stays green then Southee, Boult and Henry are the best choice?
That would be a terrible choice. Wagner doubter come Wagmer lover, here.
Pitches don't stay the same for 5 days. We've already made this mistake a few times in the last few years and within a test or two Wagner is back making the selectors look foolish. Actually it's not the selectors as Wagner is in the squad or in the 12 for home tests. It's the coach and captain chosing the playing 11 from that.
The Hesson/selection golden glow is fading.
De Grandhomme for Neesham? That is a pure Hail Mary.
Btw. I'd just drop Southee for Henry.
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Currently chucking it down at Hagley at the moment if Cricinfo comments are conrrect
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@Paekakboyz said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
anyone hear the radio breaky show? They had Doull on and he was thinking that Wagner and Neesham would miss out. That was his take on things but Nathan and co reckoned he had the good oil. Seems tough on Wagner but if the wicket stays green then Southee, Boult and Henry are the best choice?
You'd sort of think Doull would have an inside track on information, but I'm pretty sceptical they would pick de Grandhomme ahead of Neesham, unless Neesham isn't fit to bowl.
Doull's batting line-up would be:
Latham, Raval, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls, de Grandhomme, Watling, Astle, Henry, Southee, Boult
That lower middle order is green as grass - along with having Raval debuting at the top.
Selectors not doing as well since Bruce Edgar departed.
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