All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Savea is close enough to have a crack and has about 24 metres to catch up
He IS close enough to have a crack. But he doesn't at that point because he's backing his pace. And this is where we see the actions of DHP being completely unnecessary, HOWEVER you don't really know how much faster anyone is without seeing a foot race.
With that in mind, here are two more selective images.
The first is neither Speight nor Savea at full pace because one is receiving a pass, and one is making their decision on defence.
The second is the point just before DHP raises his elbow.
Reckon Save is going to lose even ankle tap range a few steps inside the 22. But then, he couldn't have known that either.
Shame DHP didn't bump him that hard when he was tackling him...
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Reckon Save is going to lose even ankle tap range a few steps inside the 22. But then, he couldn't have known that either.
Judging by Savea's burst of speed, he wasn't going to lose any ground on Speight without DHP's interference.
Shame DHP didn't bump him that hard when he was tackling him...
The one I felt sorry for was Frisby. It was like watching a pram being thrown in front of a runaway, well, bus...
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That's the thing though, the rule book doesn't differentiate if Savea is chasing Speight or Moore, nor if it is Franks chasing Folau or Speight and whether they can catch them, just that you cant interfere.
But it would have been interesting to see how they would have ruled it had it been a speedster like Franks on the wing that DHP gave a nudge.
If he had ran the line without the little push, he'd of been fine.
@antipodean that bump off was all TR Jnr was talking about...he said if a bus is coming, get out the way!
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@taniwharugby I can almost guarantee that Franks would've been the one to push off DHP.....
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@taniwharugby I can almost guarantee that Franks would've been the one to push off DHP.....
damn right he will, right in the eyes! hahaha!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@taniwharugby I can almost guarantee that Franks would've been the one to push off DHP.....
damn right he will, right in the eyes! hahaha!
LOL quality.
Franks would have been 20 metres upfield, offside by two fucking metres like he is every other phase of play.
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@NTA your second picture there shows the danger of a static photo to argue the point of a moving situation.
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
Now if we really want to be pedantic about Laws DHP was at one point ahead of his team mate in possession of the ball and continued moving forward.....
@taniwharugby on the Rugbyrefs forum they made the same point about Franks and agreed in a materiality call it would mean they wouldn't call back the try. When judging materiality they look at the actual situation not a general one. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
Thank god for that. A reply without a stupid gif.
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
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this argument is getting dumber by the hour
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@mariner4life no you are.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
Contact isn't actually problem - you said as much in your analysis with various arms and whatnot. Shoulder-to-shoulder is fine.
Its the point where DHP actually pushes Savea off his line that is the issue, which basically happens in the next half-step.
I'm just making the point that Speight was never going to be caught in a tackle - but maybe an ankle tap - from that point. Which highlights how pointless (and damaging) DHP's actions were.
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@taniwharugby Its page 13 of the thread. What do you expect?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
Contact isn't actually problem - you said as much in your analysis with various arms and whatnot. Shoulder-to-shoulder is fine.
Its the point where DHP actually pushes Savea off his line that is the issue, which basically happens in the next half-step.
I'm just making the point that Speight was never going to be caught in a tackle - but maybe an ankle tap - from that point. Which highlights how pointless (and damaging) DHP's actions were.
No. Owen's call was that DHP deliberately changed his line to impede Savea. He didn't mention the elbow. The elbow thing just made it all the more obvious and brought it to attention.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
this argument is getting dumber by the hour
We've seen blown up stills, however we're yet to see frame by frame images with bright neon arrows accompanied by monotone voice over commentary. So still has some ways to go.
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@ACT-Crusader good point. I can't wait for that.
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@Unco said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are you guys done? Can we talk about how Owens cheated us out of that last try? Forward pass my ass, that was a try.
#Cheated #UnfairRefs #NoRespect #ImGonnaGoCryNow
Two trys! Score line flattered Oz
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@NTA shoulda been Red and a 12 month ban.
