Aussie Pro Rugby
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@stodders said in Aussie Rugby:
Agreed. But Ireland's model has shown it has the beating of NZ's right now. I will strongly caveat that by saying that the strong Euro means Ireland can retain their playing talent more easily than NZ and that is one of the big issues NZ needs to overcome right now.
Not sure that is solvable “right now” or in the immediate future. The NZ dollar is weak, the amount of $ coming into the game in NZ isn’t exactly enough to retain that fringe AB/second tier of players that are still attractive to overseas clubs.
There are a number of issues facing Aussie rugby and unfortunately not having success is going to mean that they will be an after thought to getting any sort of meaningful coverage. Super rugby pfft, many ardent sports loving Aussies wouldn’t know it exists. It hasn’t always been like that because I recall times when rugby has received decent coverage when the the AFL and NRL was booming - but that’s because the Wallabies were strong.
It’s a tough thing to try and turnaround because they need the things underneath the Wallabies to have some semblance of good governance and success to make the Wallabies viable.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life I get their argument about three SR sides raises the level for players due to competition and that helps the Wallabies.
The problem is I don't think that helps widen the base long term.
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life I get their argument about three SR sides raises the level for players due to competition and that helps the Wallabies.
The problem is I don't think that helps widen the base long term.
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
It exposes more players to professionalism.
Both NZ and Oz need to stop looking at SR through the misty eyes of youthful recollection and acknowledge that it isn't the Super 12. It's a different competition now.
I've outlined before what I think it the solution and that requires bold, innovative action, wholesale buy-in from stakeholders including broadcasters.
There's no requirement for a third level of professional rugby at this stage, either in NZ or Oz. We need to develop a competition that straddles what was SR and the desired level below (NPC, defunct NRC etc.) Grow and develop that.
There's already Shute Shield/ Premier rugby with district/ country rugby and Subbies under that. Another layer isn't going to help, it just needs alignment.
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life I get their argument about three SR sides raises the level for players due to competition and that helps the Wallabies.
The problem is I don't think that helps widen the base long term.
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
i think if those teams engage with the club layer below them better then yes....currently positions might be help by someone form overseas...but that's still creating a role the next young guy coming through can fill
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life I get their argument about three SR sides raises the level for players due to competition and that helps the Wallabies.
The problem is I don't think that helps widen the base long term.
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
It exposes more players to professionalism.
Both NZ and Oz need to stop looking at SR through the misty eyes of youthful recollection and acknowledge that it isn't the Super 12. It's a different competition now.
I've outlined before what I think it the solution and that requires bold, innovative action, wholesale buy-in from stakeholders including broadcasters.
There's no requirement for a third level of professional rugby at this stage, either in NZ or Oz. We need to develop a competition that straddles what was SR and the desired level below (NPC, defunct NRC etc.) Grow and develop that.
There's already Shute Shield/ Premier rugby with district/ country rugby and Subbies under that. Another layer isn't going to help, it just needs alignment.
i would say they also need to do more to raise the rest of the countries club comps to the shute shield level so there is more consistent engagement....i mean the shute is broadcast on stan!
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
It exposes more players to professionalism.
Both NZ and Oz need to stop looking at SR through the misty eyes of youthful recollection and acknowledge that it isn't the Super 12. It's a different competition now.
I wish it was youthful recollection mate, unfortunately I was already in 40s when Super started
. Take my word for it I not in anyway dismissing other's ideas etc, just throwing in what I see as problems , not that I anymore expert than others. I not sure what answer is for a next level comp in Aus is, they already got Shute Shield and Hospital cup etc and I not sure if that's giving them depth that's required. Also wonder if having Rebels has caused an upsurge in rugby in Melbourne and I always thought when RA cut Force they should of perhaps amalgamated Rebels and Brumbies. Brumbies I know are pretty strong, but perhaps seem to be a bit financially struggling? Just wonder if actually having the teams that can afford to compete isn't a good starting point? -
As Matt Burke so succinctly points out in teh above podcast, the money that the two australasian rugby unions have to play with is fucking nothing
The AFL broadcast deal is $650m per year
The NRL broadcast deal is $400m per year (and the next iteration will be way higher)The ARU get $33m per year
The NZRU gets $80m per year
combined that's a little over a quarter of what the NRL get -
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
As Matt Burke so succinctly points out in teh above podcast, the money that the two australasian rugby unions have to play with is fucking nothing
The AFL broadcast deal is $650m per year
The NRL broadcast deal is $400m per year (and the next iteration will be way higher)The ARU get $33m per year
The NZRU gets $80m per year
combined that's a little over a quarter of what the NRL getThat ARU figure is shocking. I knew it would be low, but that really brings it home.
And you'd have to think that, unless things improve a lot between now and whenever it's up for review, the next one will be worth even less.
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
Understand that too, but does 5 teams with a number of overseas players widen the base?
It exposes more players to professionalism.
Both NZ and Oz need to stop looking at SR through the misty eyes of youthful recollection and acknowledge that it isn't the Super 12. It's a different competition now.
Also wonder if having Rebels has caused an upsurge in rugby in Melbourne
short answer is no, or at least not as far as ive seen, COVID also fucked us around quite a lot, fewer expats filling the ranks, two seasons cut short...just the fact i dont think too many people act actually name the premier Rugby comp/trophy
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@GibbonRib said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
As Matt Burke so succinctly points out in teh above podcast, the money that the two australasian rugby unions have to play with is fucking nothing
The AFL broadcast deal is $650m per year
The NRL broadcast deal is $400m per year (and the next iteration will be way higher)The ARU get $33m per year
The NZRU gets $80m per year
combined that's a little over a quarter of what the NRL getThat ARU figure is shocking. I knew it would be low, but that really brings it home.
And you'd have to think that, unless things improve a lot between now and whenever it's up for review, the next one will be worth even less.
I'm surprised anyone wants to pay anything. What do they have to offer? Some local cripple fights with the odd rodgering by a NZ team resting their stars. And all this happening while the ref repeatedly stops the game for 10 min to check an incident that occurred 50 phases prior. So in sum, you've got an unentertaining whistle fest between substandard sides and sometimes a disinterested NZ side. They should have to pay to have it broadcast.
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They don't learn, do they. More big money on League star
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No one but Angus' agent would think this was a good idea.
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"back to Rugby"
FFS these idiots are delusional. Most of these guys played both, got picked up by league - who paid for their private school education where they dominated schoolboy Rugby and probably played a bit of league on the side.
They were NEVER union.
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History is littered with league forwards being a success in rugby.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
History is littered with league forwards being a success in rugby.
true..think they said he was primarily a centre when he was young? Im curious to where he would play..
For someone with mental health issues, surely Aussie rugby should not be your next move lol
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@bayimports said in Aussie Rugby:
For someone with mental health issues, surely Aussie rugby should not be your next move lol
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
History is littered with league forwards being a success in rugby.
He's the
WishWestern Force's SBW... -
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
History is littered with league forwards being a success in rugby.
I'm not sure how to unpack that...
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
History is littered with league forwards being a success in rugby.
I'm not sure how to unpack that...
Start with sarcasm exe
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But the Brumbies are bristling after a recent meeting with RA, in which Nobbs said the governing body presented a terms sheet with an offer to wipe the Brumbies’ debt if the club relinquished all aspects of its business, including intellectual property. The proposal was rejected, with the Brumbies determined to maintain a locally run club in Canberra.
Mobbs admitted the Brumbies were one of several Australian outfits under financial duress but said it was due to RA cutting funding in 2021. When the Western Force returned to Super Rugby, the other four clubs had grants cut from $5.5 million a year to $3.9 million, and assurances it would go back up have not been met.
“We have said from day one, we are happy to lead the charge [for an aligned high-performance system] and get it sorted. Because everyone accepts there has to be change. We have all seen the results. Things have got to change,” Nobbs said.
“But the issue we have got, is the way we have been treated by RA has been appalling. They had us over the barrel, financially, and the only reason they had us over the barrel goes back to the reduction in funding from the last broadcast deal. The 30 per cent they reduced our funding, by $1.7 million, is the reason that we are in financial difficulty.
“They inflicted it on us and to add to it, we are doing more now. We have a Super W program and that’s a significant investment to get that up and running. We are doing far more with less money.
“So for them to turn around say, ‘You have to hand back everything, we will take full control of the Brumbies’, is not acceptable.”
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RA declined to comment, saying negotiations with member unions were confidential and ongoing.With Australian rugby hitting rock bottom this week, chairman Hamish McLennan and chief executive Phil Waugh have both stressed the urgency for overdue structural reform. But Nobbs said there was a lack of detail from RA about the plan for centralisation.
The Brumbies are concerned about the prospect of relocation if they hand over control and while RA has assured the club and the ACT government there are no such plans, Nobbs said there is “a lack of trust now”.
“There is no collaboration or transparency. They are three big words that among a number of the member unions doesn’t exist. How you mend that, I don’t know,” Nobbs said.
Hamish McLennan and Phil Waugh have stressed the urgency for reform in Australian rugby.CREDIT: GETTY
The leadership of McLennan has come under scrutiny this week and pressure is mounting, with several member unions reportedly discussing potential change. An extraordinary general meeting can be called by two member unions.RA’s $1.6 million offer to NRL star Angus Crichton this week was met with incredulity by several member union sources, who declined to comment publicly due to the sensitivIty
