NH club rugby
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
Rainbow Cup??
I wonder how long it will be before the travel thing gets bought up by the NH teams?
It only took about 15 years to come to possible fruition.
Irish, Scots, Italians and Saffers happy.
Welsh fans not - they want Anglo-Welsh League.
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The Cheetahs always get shafted when SA is limited to only 4 teams in a competition. They are a breeding ground for future Boks with Grey College.
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I got James Haskell’s book as a Christmas stocking filler. He’s very opinionated and therefore a bit marmite , but I’ve warmed to him over the past couple of years. There are quite a few old stories; some of which are very funny, laugh out loud. There are also insightful snippets around the politics of NH club rugby and England international stuff, as well as his time with the Highlanders.
‘What a flanker’ - certainly not the worst sports book I’ve read. I rather enjoyed it.
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@Bones said in NH club rugby:
Just been selected for the England U20 EPS. Not that they are in much danger of playing any rugby any time soon.
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/england-u20-mens-2021-elite-player-squad-announced
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
Who'd want to be a hooker ay? Terrible pay to have a couple of blokes pushing in your backside all the time.
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@Snowy bout sums it up though, the low paid guy doing alot of the grunt work is pushed around by the high paid princesses
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If you're going to be a prop, make sure you're a tighthead
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Weird.
I think hooker is 2nd most important position after first-five.Got to get your own lineout ball.
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@Margin_Walker said in NH club rugby:
@Bones said in NH club rugby:
Just been selected for the England U20 EPS. Not that they are in much danger of playing any rugby any time soon.
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/england-u20-mens-2021-elite-player-squad-announced
Hopefully the Mum's genes dilutes Zinny's genes.
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@Rapido said in NH club rugby:
Weird.
I think hooker is 2nd most important position after first-five.Got to get your own lineout ball.
4 and 5 at the top of the list...
I suppose the theory is that if the target is good enough they can get anyone to throw it?
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I really think WR need to stop subs, water carriers or anyone other than the players on the field and officials doing anything other than watch.
I hate seeing subs rush into the in-goal to celebrate a try, or like this one, touch the ball which prevents the opportunity for a quick throw (even if it wasn't really on in this case)
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@taniwharugby If a non on field player/support staff touches the ball to prevent a quick thrown in then it should be a penalty to the other team.
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@Nepia said in NH club rugby:
@taniwharugby If a non on field player/support staff touches the ball to prevent a quick thrown in then it should be a penalty to the other team.
And a big fine, IMO.
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Absolute scumbag cheat behavior from that water carrier/trainer. Should get a permanent ban from professional rugby. Team should be punished too, and possibly docked points.
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@Tim said in NH club rugby:
Absolute scumbag cheat behavior from that water carrier/trainer. Should get a permanent ban from professional rugby. Team should be punished too, and possibly docked points.
Is it cheating though? They are allowed to touch the ball once it's out, aren't they? There is no rule against it is there?
Genuinely asking as I don't see a problem with it to help your team.
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@Hooroo He's one team's trainer, not the match's official ball boy. He absolutely is not allowed to interfere with play in anyway, including trying to prevent a player from getting the ball.
If you don't see a problem with a non-player interfering to "help your team", then I honestly question whether you understand the concept of cheating, as you've given a definition of it.
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@Tim said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo He's one team's trainer, not the match's official ball boy. He absolutely is not allowed to interfere with play in anyway, including trying to prevent a player from getting the ball.
If you don't see a problem with a non-player interfering to "help your team", then I honestly question whether you understand the concept of cheating, as you've given a definition of it.
OK, I just saw the outbreak on the smallest of vids. I couldn't see what he had done and had assumed he had just touched the ball rather than preventing anyone on getting it?
If the ball is rolling his way is he supposed to get out of his seat and out of the way of it se it doesn't hit his legs?
What actually happened?
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo he leaned over the hoardings, and touched it. Was not going too be hit buy it, just a dick move
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I would do it too. I wouldn't stop him from being able to grab the ball though.
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World Rugby should bring in a rule to clear it up.
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@Hooroo said in NH club rugby:
@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo he leaned over the hoardings, and touched it. Was not going too be hit buy it, just a dick move
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I would do it too. I wouldn't stop him from being able to grab the ball though.
Once he touched it that was the same as grabbing the ball, can't do a quick throw. Is just cheating, the need to go full soccer and put those fluffybunnies in an area until let out
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo said in NH club rugby:
@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo he leaned over the hoardings, and touched it. Was not going too be hit buy it, just a dick move
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I would do it too. I wouldn't stop him from being able to grab the ball though.
Once he touched it that was the same as grabbing the ball, can't do a quick throw. Is just cheating, the need to go full soccer and put those fluffybunnies in an area until let out
But is it cheating? That was my original question. What are the rules around this? If the ball is heading to the bench are the bench to evacuate the area?
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@Hooroo if he hadn't reached for it, the other guy might have got it first and been able uo do a quick throw in, either way, a player who ys not 1 of the 30 on the park has deliberately touched the ball to affect play.
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo if he hadn't reached for it, the other guy might have got it first and been able uo do a quick throw in, either way, a player who ys not 1 of the 30 on the park has deliberately touched the ball to affect play.
Yeah I get that, like a if a ball boy touches it, it can't be used for a quick throw.
I just don't have a problem with it if there is no rule around it.
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@Hooroo think ball boys are different as that's thier role, but yea unsure what the exact rules are.
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo think ball boys are different as that's thier role, but yea unsure what the exact rules are.
Not for quick throws they aren't. If they touch it, it can't be used for a quick throw.
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@Hooroo no i mean a ball boy is there to retrieve the ball, I am sure they are told about when they can and cannot touch it , a reserve water carrier, physio should have no business touching it.
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo no i mean a ball boy is there to retrieve the ball, I am sure they are told about when they can and cannot touch it , a reserve water carrier, physio should have no business touching it.
but cool for the oppo bench to if they wish?
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@Hooroo do they not count as reserves?
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo do they not count as reserves?
That's what I'm asking? Is there any rule around it?
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@Hooroo no idea, which was what I posted with the clip saying WR needs to do something
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@Hooroo no idea, which was what I posted with the clip saying WR needs to do something
From some of the over-reaction on here, I first thought someone died or even cheated but I can't tell if that has happened
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@Hooroo well a player can get penalised for taking the ball and not giving to the opposition the opportunity for a quick play, so I'd like to think someone not actually playing has even less right to touch it
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There was a game a few years ago where there was two incidents in one match. A staff member did it first and got a warning.
An injured player did it the second time and got a red cardThe injured player part is interesting because he's not an active player
I had a skim through the rugbyrefs forum and it seems all the ref can do is remove the staff from the playing area for the cheating.
There was debate over if they could also penalise the team.In this weekends incident the staff member was removed from the playing area. However the penalty (and YC) went against the player for the reaction
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@Duluth said in NH club rugby:
However the penalty (and YC) went against the player for the reaction
I can understand that, happens on field if you retaliate too.
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The laws around a quick lineout throw seem to only relate to the players' actions, not those people outside the field of play. I agree with @KiwiMurph that WR should clarify that a team's reserve players and support staff are also included in this category.
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@Duluth said in NH club rugby:
There was a game a few years ago where there was two incidents in one match. A staff member did it first and got a warning.
An injured player did it the second time and got a red cardThe injured player part is interesting because he's not an active player
I had a skim through the rugbyrefs forum and it seems all the ref can do is remove the staff from the playing area for the cheating.
There was debate over if they could also penalise the team.In this weekends incident the staff member was removed from the playing area. However the penalty (and YC) went against the player for the reaction
So it is fair dinkum cheating then if the refs can do that.
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Why don't they just remove the law requiring the ball to be untouched? As much as I like the quirky ones like that, it's a bit silly.
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