NH club rugby
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
Nice graphic, it'd be interesting to see the Japanese Top League and even SR (a smaller number) in there too.
@Derm-McCrum It would also be interesting to see the NZ list. I'm guessing that while there may be a lot of Samoa eligible players in the NZ system the actual country of birth numbers might be different?
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@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
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@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
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@taniwharugby https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/09/rugby-union-injuries-latest-season-highest-level-15-years-concussions
Here the conclusion of less concussions but more time off required doesn't make sense to me. Far more likely to be a greater awareness of concussion, and player's now admitting symptoms or pushing back against staff trying to rush them back.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
Sorry about the tardiness.
England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
Ireland - 4 clubs
Wales - 4 clubs
Scotland - 2 clubs
Italy - 2 clubs
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
Nice graphic, it'd be interesting to see the Japanese Top League and even SR (a smaller number) in there too.
@Derm-McCrum It would also be interesting to see the NZ list. I'm guessing that while there may be a lot of Samoa eligible players in the NZ system the actual country of birth numbers might be different?
Yes. Those are the country of birth numbers. Plenty of players moved/grew up elsewhere, particularly NZ for PI-born players. Interestingly, they've recaptured their birth nationality to play in France so they meet the EU Contonou Agreement for APC nations (African, Pacific and Caribbean).
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Here's the foreign split in Ireland. Includes 13 NZ born players with status
Joey Carbery - RQ/PQ - moved age 10
Joe Tomane - NIE - moved to Aus when young
Michael Bent - Irish passport holder, GPQ
Sean Reidy - Irish passport holder, GPQ
Dom Robertson-McCoy - GPQ
Jamison Gibson-Park - NIQ - becomes IQ June 2019
James Lowe - NIQ - contracted Dec 17 - Jun 20
Rhys Marshall - NIQ - becomes IQ Nov 2019
Tyler Bleyendaal - RIQ - contract with Munster finishes in June 2019
Alby Mathewson - NIE - medical joker injury cover until March 2019
Bundee Aki - RIQ - contracted until June 2020
Tom McCartney - RIQ - contract ends June 2020
Jarrad Butler - NIQ - moved to Aus at 13 - signed to June 2020
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Here's the ones I could glean from the NZ 2019 SR squads. A few players whose birthplace are not provided.
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@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
Sorry about the tardiness.
England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
Ireland - 4 clubs
Wales - 4 clubs
Scotland - 2 clubs
Italy - 2 clubsApology accepted.
It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
Sorry about the tardiness.
England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
Ireland - 4 clubs
Wales - 4 clubs
Scotland - 2 clubs
Italy - 2 clubsApology accepted.
It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.
England has a lot of domestic-born players though within its two leagues - 802 players is the largest although I don't have the numbers in the French academies so that would bump it up a bit.
The Irish, Welsh, Scots migration has always ben there - currently average 50 in each case - and obviously is one of the reasons why London Irish, Welsh & Scottish were set up, and that the IRFU's fifth branch, Exiles, continues to operate in England to track Irish-born and Irish-qualified players.
The largest foreign cohort in Irish rugby is now English (13 players), whereas a few years ago, the SH cohort was far bigger around 55-60 in total. Lucifora's Evacuation has whittled these down considerably, and more are leaving/going this season - Ulster's squad looks positively green with over a dozen players cleared out in the last while and their SA influence has been completely wiped out with just Coetzee remaining to see out his contract until June (although McFarland would like IRFU to break the rules and re-sign him for another year or so.) Ulster new management and coaches are getting the message loud and clear - no more big spending after the last few year's fiasco, and develop your academies instead. Hence, Ulster having to field 3-4 academy players in a European cup tie this weekend - unheard of in Irish rugby before. That's the essential difference between union-run and privately-run, although a few Prem clubs seem to be adopting this approach in recent times.
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Leinster playing Toulouse in the one of the games of Round 5 in Heineken Cup tomorrow. The French won by a point in Round 2, and a win at RDS should give them a chance of a home quarterfinal. Leinster have it all to do whilst missing Jack McGrath, Toner, SOB, Leavy, Sexton, Henshaw and R Kearney to injury and Lowe on a ban.
Still should be a great match looking forward to being there.
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@Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?
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@Rebound said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?
Ricky Riccitelli
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Former World Cup-winning All Black Zac Guildford has left another club mid-season.
The troubled All Black – who has had well-publicised issues with alcohol in his past – took to social media to announce his decision to leave French ProD2 side Nevers, who he signed with last year.
He scored three tries in 10 appearances for the club.
“My time @usonneversrugby has come to an end,” Guildford said on Instagram.
However, on this occasion, there was no apparent off-field incident preceding the decision to leave.
“It’s not the way I wanted things to be but I’d like to thank everyone in Nevers for the support and opportunity especially the president. So grateful for the understanding of the club that I need to be with my family at this time,”Guildford added: “Before any second hand rumours come out there were no incidents I just have to do this for myself and my family to better my future. Much love to all.”
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As he's playing his club rugby in the NH, I'm posting this here (couldn't find a better thread):
From Nemani Nadolo's instagram:
I thought I'd be the first to let you all know that i'v called it a day playing for my beloved country Fiji. First and foremost I want to thank the almighty for without him i believe I would never have gotten this far. The moment I debuted as a "caretaker" of the jersey back in 2010 I would have never thought I'd have played for this long and represented the tiny island of Fiji. I want to thank all the coaches, trainers, physios and people I have come in contact with during my time as a "caretaker" of the jersey. To all the past and present players whom i'v had the honour of playing along side with I want to say big VINAKA.. Most of all to the PEOPLE of Fiji both in Fiji and abroad. I just want to let you all know that it's been a pleasure to have represented you all over the years.. I believe this team belongs to the people of fiji and its because of you we find the motivation to play everytime we get the opportunity and for that I hope I haven't let you guys down. With the depth and current crop of outside backs coming through I have no doubt that the next "caretakers" of the jersey will do a great job.. Iv faced a few challenges over the last 18 month's both on and off the field. After speaking to my partner @kimstyleme for a long period of time about this I felt it was the right decision for me and my family moving forward. I still have a lot to prove and I look forward to doing that with my club @mhr_officiel.. I wish the coaches and the current squad all the best for the future and have no doubt they will do well!.. #vinaka #veilomani ❤.
He has struggled with a lot of injuries the past two years, so it's an understandable decision, but a great loss to Fiji. I'll certainly miss him playing in the white jersey!
