All Blacks vs Ireland

Crazy Horse

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

Bones

@Crazy-Horse yeah I'd pick Roigard as quicker, although that may have changed post injury.

nostrildamus

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Actually next year off the bench Gotham's sheer pace could be a weapon and I like a bit of R &R as well

Exceot Hotham doesn't have sheer pace. He's not slow, but speed isn't one of his assets.

Well that try was nice at any rate.

KiwiMurph

Bovidae

A huge test for Aumua and Bell now.

Tim

Riccitelli's solid throwing might be useful for these games ...

Tim

Every time England threatened in our half we gave away a quick penalty. England were content to kick goals, and didn't maintain try line pressure. Ireland won't be content to do that, and will regularly score if we give them that many opportunities.

sparky

1 De Groot
2 Aumua
3 Lomax
4 S Barrett
5 Tuipolutu
6 Finau
7 A. Savea
8 Sititi
9 Roigard
10 D Mac
11 C. Clarke
12. J. Barrett
13. B. Proctor
14 M. Telea
15. W. Jordan

G. Bell
T. Williams
P. Tosi
T. Vaii
P.Lakai
TJP
H. Plummer
R. Ioane

Tim

Can't see why you would play de Groot. He has been poor this year. Underwhelming scrumming, and low impact around the field. Tu'ungufasi was good when he came on and put in some hits.

Proctor's defense was exposed by Japan, the 14th ranked team.

Billy Tell

Who do people keep wanting to move Sititi to 8? He’s been absolutely brilliant at 6. Just leave him there.

Kiwidom

@Tim Not sure about that, De Groot gave the Poms a torrid time at scrum time earlier in the year
Anyway, I can't see them bringing De Groot back in for this match

sparky

@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Who do people keep wanting to move Sititi to 8? He’s been absolutely brilliant at 6. Just leave him there.

8 is Sititi's preferred position. 8 will give him more opportunities with the ball in hand where he is excelling. The All Blacks coaches have said they see him as "an 8 who can cover 6."

Ardie Savea is not playing well at 8. (Cane is now too slow at 7.) Perhaps a return to 7 might start getting the best out of the World Player of Year again?

BerniesCorner

@sparky said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Who do people keep wanting to move Sititi to 8? He’s been absolutely brilliant at 6. Just leave him there.

8 is Sititi's preferred position. 8 will give him more opportunities with the ball in hand where he is excelling. The All Blacks coaches have said they see him as "an 8 who can cover 6."

Ardie Savea is not playing well at 8. (Cane is now too slow at 7.) Perhaps a return to 7 might start getting the best out of the World Player of Year again?

I agree with all this. Why don't they try people out for half a game. It's becoming annoying to be honest.

Mr Fish

Apart from off the scrum, I'd love to know what people here believe the difference is between a 6 and a 8, particularly in the way the All Blacks play. It doesn't feel like Sititi is getting any less ball than Savea at the moment?

nostrildamus

@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Who do people keep wanting to move Sititi to 8? He’s been absolutely brilliant at 6. Just leave him there.

You haven't seen him play at 8?

Tim

Is there any word on Papalii rejoining the squad? Cane was completely anonymous. Tough ask coming off a hamstring injury to play Ireland.

BerniesCorner

@Tim The safest starting option maybe 6. Finau 7. Savea 8. Sititi

Mr Fish

Papali'i and Blackadder are both at least another week away.

And Proctor is out of the tour...

Tim

@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Proctor is out of the tour...

Training injury?

sparky

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland:

Is there any word on Papalii rejoining the squad? Cane was completely anonymous. Tough ask coming off a hamstring injury to play Ireland.

I'd heard that Blackadder and Papalii were going to be ready by France at the earliest.

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