All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham
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@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
The Reiko one was a good defensive play. I don't remember the one where he should have passed.
Nothing seemed to go in to his hands clean though, it's not happening for him this year.
By the time he gets the ball it always seems to be a crash, even if he wanted to there is no time to pass the ball outside
Reckon he is doing exactly what the coaches want from him, which is exactly that.
Personally think it's a waste, but there you go.
Yes. The point I was trying to make was that both JB and RI seemed to be employed as crashers. Who is there in midfield to distribute?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Haven't read the thread (not sure I can be arsed today with the attacking/fluffing of individual players that match threads have descended into these days
Pot calling the kettle black there Nepia
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Nepia said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Haven't read the thread (not sure I can be arsed today with the attacking/fluffing of individual players that match threads have descended into these days
Pot calling the kettle black there Nepia
On match threads? Nope, not for ages. In general threads, yep, of course I'll call out shit players who only make one tackle in a crucial match or advocate for a player who was the best in Super and gets stupidly overlooked.
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Well have to say that was a fun watch. Mind you I was sitting in a pub in Wales, the beer tasting great, and the Welshmen all cheering for ABs too. Didn't see things as carefully as usual when watching tests, but thought in general team looked ok, with of course Sititi and Pat T, I thought outstanding. Although both players looked quite good, I was a little surprised at Ratima and Roigard both seemed a little hesitant at times. But happy with it all in general anyway,because of the W beside the game
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@reprobate Yeah, Ratima was terrible and Barrett was static or looking to kick. With a flat alignment it's very hard for the midfield to do anything.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Watched some more highlights.
Shit a brick it is impressive how brilliantly Wallace Sititi has taken to test Rugby.
Hoskins who ?
Sititi was playing 6.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Watched some more highlights.
Shit a brick it is impressive how brilliantly Wallace Sititi has taken to test Rugby.
Hoskins who ?
Sititi was playing 6.
Yeah I know, thanks anyway
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Sititi is a brilliant selection by Razor he was Hugh again.
That leg injury to Niggles which opened the door to Sititi was inspired.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Watched some more highlights.
Shit a brick it is impressive how brilliantly Wallace Sititi has taken to test Rugby.
Hoskins who ?
Nah, play both of them once Hoskins is fit again next year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Sititi is a brilliant selection by Razor he was Hugh again.
That leg injury to Niggles which opened the door to Sititi was inspired.
If they'd selected Ioane/Sotutu, we might never have found out how good Sititi is.
Brilliant, brilliant coaching.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Chris-B I agree. It looks like the ambition to play dazzling, fast and beautiful rugby exceeds the individual abilities of most of the players. It speaks perhaps to a lack of clarity of communication, pragmatism and honesty at the coaching level. Something isn’t working internally, I suspect.
Aside from the messy execution of an overly idealised game plan, I’m also alarmed at the players’ seeming inability to maintain discipline under pressure. This has been going on all year, and may reflect the frustration they feel at the gap between the coaches’ grandiose vision and the reality.
With that in mind, we shouldn’t overlook the distorting factor of money. The Silverlake private equity investment was in an AB brand built on fast, flowing and attacking rugby that is beautiful to watch. Those sort of investors are notoriously impatient, which leaves me thinking Robertson feels he must deliver on that in every game, and those pressures are getting to the players.
What’s needed is a greater sense of pragmatism - of building the strategy around the team, rather than the team around the strategy. I still wonder at what was behind Leon Macdonald’s early exit from the coaching set-up and whether NZ Rugby’s almost panicked early appointment of Robertson has created a culture where people are now frightened to question the boss.
Maybe what's missing is some wise old heads in the coaching set-up to provide a counterweight or sounding-board for the ambition - perhaps Robertson understands that for the team and why is sticking with the likes of Cane, BB etc
I genuinely think losing Schmidt was an opportunity lost and someone like him or Cotter in the set-up could make a big difference to executing the vision Robertson has.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Watched some more highlights.
Shit a brick it is impressive how brilliantly Wallace Sititi has taken to test Rugby.
Hoskins who ?
Sititi was playing 6.
Yeah I know, thanks anyway
So really you should compare him to Savea ..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Chris-B I agree. It looks like the ambition to play dazzling, fast and beautiful rugby exceeds the individual abilities of most of the players. It speaks perhaps to a lack of clarity of communication, pragmatism and honesty at the coaching level. Something isn’t working internally, I suspect.
Aside from the messy execution of an overly idealised game plan, I’m also alarmed at the players’ seeming inability to maintain discipline under pressure. This has been going on all year, and may reflect the frustration they feel at the gap between the coaches’ grandiose vision and the reality.
With that in mind, we shouldn’t overlook the distorting factor of money. The Silverlake private equity investment was in an AB brand built on fast, flowing and attacking rugby that is beautiful to watch. Those sort of investors are notoriously impatient, which leaves me thinking Robertson feels he must deliver on that in every game, and those pressures are getting to the players.
What’s needed is a greater sense of pragmatism - of building the strategy around the team, rather than the team around the strategy. I still wonder at what was behind Leon Macdonald’s early exit from the coaching set-up and whether NZ Rugby’s almost panicked early appointment of Robertson has created a culture where people are now frightened to question the boss.
Maybe what's missing is some wise old heads in the coaching set-up to provide a counterweight or sounding-board for the ambition - perhaps Robertson understands that for the team and why is sticking with the likes of Cane, BB etc
I genuinely think losing Schmidt was an opportunity lost and someone like him or Cotter in the set-up could make a big difference to executing the vision Robertson has.
Yes maybe hr needs an O'Gara type who challenges him on everything but best practice tackling strategy
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@MN5 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
Watched some more highlights.
Shit a brick it is impressive how brilliantly Wallace Sititi has taken to test Rugby.
Hoskins who ?
Sititi was playing 6.
Yeah I know, thanks anyway
So really you should compare him to Savea ..
Ok.
Wow, he was awesome.
There you go.
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@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
I thought Marcus Smith was world-class for England. What we wouldn't give for a 25 year old First Five Eight like that?
He's Mounga-lite so you could get your wish soon... just slightly older.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:
@Chris-B I agree. It looks like the ambition to play dazzling, fast and beautiful rugby exceeds the individual abilities of most of the players. It speaks perhaps to a lack of clarity of communication, pragmatism and honesty at the coaching level. Something isn’t working internally, I suspect.
Aside from the messy execution of an overly idealised game plan, I’m also alarmed at the players’ seeming inability to maintain discipline under pressure. This has been going on all year, and may reflect the frustration they feel at the gap between the coaches’ grandiose vision and the reality.
With that in mind, we shouldn’t overlook the distorting factor of money. The Silverlake private equity investment was in an AB brand built on fast, flowing and attacking rugby that is beautiful to watch. Those sort of investors are notoriously impatient, which leaves me thinking Robertson feels he must deliver on that in every game, and those pressures are getting to the players.
What’s needed is a greater sense of pragmatism - of building the strategy around the team, rather than the team around the strategy. I still wonder at what was behind Leon Macdonald’s early exit from the coaching set-up and whether NZ Rugby’s almost panicked early appointment of Robertson has created a culture where people are now frightened to question the boss.
Maybe what's missing is some wise old heads in the coaching set-up to provide a counterweight or sounding-board for the ambition - perhaps Robertson understands that for the team and why is sticking with the likes of Cane, BB etc
I genuinely think losing Schmidt was an opportunity lost and someone like him or Cotter in the set-up could make a big difference to executing the vision Robertson has.
It is a raw group for sure. That was mentioned many times on this forum when the coaching staff was announced. I do see an attitude and self-awareness that they have a lot learn as well, though. I see comparisons with early Henry and co in that regard which kind of proves taking over the ABs is a challenge for any kind of coach, international experience or not.
