All Blacks EOYT
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Japan:
Robertson had a choice of picking a team for the future and take a few losses as a learning experience or picking a team including experienced players at the end of their careers to improve his win ratio.
I hope we don't get the worst of both worlds.
To be honest, I don't believe the vast majority of NZ will forgive losses just because Razor's playing some young guys. Particularly if they're not "my" young guys. For example, George Bell.
I think you've got to judge them on their results and in almost every case - particularly when we're still more than three years out from the next World Cup - I'm not particularly concerned about squeezing 15 minutes off the bench into a promising rookie.
I'm concerned about winning.
I'm happy for them to squeeze the last drops out of Cane and Perenara and maybe Beaudy if that's what they think gives them the best chance of winning (and I somewhat agree that it does).
But, aside from that - we are playing the promising rookies.
Listed with caps
Tosi (3)
Darry (5)
Finau (4)
Sititi (5)
Roigard (5)
Proctor (1)
Perofeta (5)
Bell (1)
Lord (6)
Lakai (0)
Love (0)That's effectively half this week's team with less than 6 caps. And we've got a whole lot of guys off on the A tour who are going to play Georgia in an almost test.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Japan:
For example, George Bell.
Yeah true, that's a perfect example of a guy that's really shone at lower level and showed real promise. Absolutely tore it up in super rugby and NPC. I definitely couldn't think of a better one if I was trying to defend surf jesus to the hilt.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Japan:
For example, George Bell.
Yeah true, that's a perfect example of a guy that's really shone at lower level and showed real promise. Absolutely tore it up in super rugby and NPC. I definitely couldn't think of a better one if I was trying to defend surf jesus to the hilt.
Bloody hell, someone is sarcastic this morning !!!!!
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@Bones Let me see if I can find something to be disagree about with your post, Chris B.....
The thing about hookers is - we've had a very clear prototype since Fitzy. A big, mobile ballrunner. Advanced by Dane Coles and continued on by Taylor and Sami T.
Now, we could have picked the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund - but, frankly, they're too small to ever be effective against the best teams. Genetics are against them and that's a harsh fact of life for most of us when it comes to test rugby.
They would have got the shit beaten out of them this year by the bomb squad - and three years hence they'll still get the shit beaten out of them.
So instead, we've got four months of training into young Bell, who has the size to be useful in the future. We've lost no games because of that. And next year we should get Sami T back.
Looking like a great investment to me!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Bones Let me see if I can find something to be disagree about with your post, Chris B.....
The thing about hookers is - we've had a very clear prototype since Fitzy. A big, mobile ballrunner. Advanced by Dane Coles and continued on by Taylor and Sami T.
Now, we could have picked the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund - but, frankly, they're too small to ever be effective against the best teams. Genetics are against them and that's a harsh fact of life for most of us when it comes to test rugby.
They would have got the shit beaten out of them this year by the bomb squad - and three years hence they'll still get the shit beaten out of them.
So instead, we've got four months of training into young Bell, who has the size to be useful in the future. We've lost no games because of that. And next year we should get Sami T back.
Looking like a great investment to me!
Does Keven Mealamu mean nothing to you ?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 Who the hell wrote that jizz soaked drivel?
AI
Soft porn for Saders fans
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Bones Let me see if I can find something to be disagree about with your post, Chris B.....
The thing about hookers is - we've had a very clear prototype since Fitzy. A big, mobile ballrunner. Advanced by Dane Coles and continued on by Taylor and Sami T.
Now, we could have picked the likes of Riccitelli or Eklund - but, frankly, they're too small to ever be effective against the best teams. Genetics are against them and that's a harsh fact of life for most of us when it comes to test rugby.
They would have got the shit beaten out of them this year by the bomb squad - and three years hence they'll still get the shit beaten out of them.
So instead, we've got four months of training into young Bell, who has the size to be useful in the future. We've lost no games because of that. And next year we should get Sami T back.
Looking like a great investment to me!
Does Keven Mealamu mean nothing to you ?
Not in the slightest.
I'll tell you something you didn't know about Kev - he and Codie Taylor are almost exactly twelve years apart in age there's 10 days in it. So, if Codie is motivated, he can go to the next RWC.
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I thought it sounded like Indian cricket fans talking about Kapil Dev or Sachin Tendulkar
Mind you @nostrildamus is a weird fish sometimes so maybe he had a bit of a late night write up ?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
I thought it sounded like Indian cricket fans talking about Kapil Dev or Sachin Tendulkar
Mind you @nostrildamus is a weird fish sometimes so maybe he had a bit of a late night write up ?
Chat gpt. I asked it to describe Razor in the spirit of Life of Brian.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
I thought it sounded like Indian cricket fans talking about Kapil Dev or Sachin Tendulkar
Mind you @nostrildamus is a weird fish sometimes so maybe he had a bit of a late night write up ?
Chat gpt. I asked it to describe Razor in the spirit of Life of Brian.
Stop being modest. You wrote it yourself….from the heart !
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Japan:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Japan:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Japan:
All in all a bit of an average game, I know not top team etc, but a combination of a real crap field and not a lot of connection in either team left me thinking it not a test I'll remember for a long time.
Did you and @Bones enjoy the game together?
Well as he in England , and I still in NZ, not quite mate lol!
Oh what, I thought you said earlierin the thread that you were over there! Never mind then haha!
Naa Mate meant to head off tomorrow!
Safe travels!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
I thought it sounded like Indian cricket fans talking about Kapil Dev or Sachin Tendulkar
Mind you @nostrildamus is a weird fish sometimes so maybe he had a bit of a late night write up ?
Chat gpt. I asked it to describe Razor in the spirit of Life of Brian.
Stop being modest. You wrote it yourself….from the heart !
I'll admit I admired some of the prose
But I'm scared if asked to write a day in the life of Sotutu in Albert Camus style it will just select one of my posts... -
@Chris-B Fitzy was strong but he wasn't that big. And yes I have met him. And I don't think Coles was that big either? Compared to SA and England I don't think our regular hookers often looked that big?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Chris-B pointing out they picked an average youngster when they were painted into a corner doesn't seem that great to me.
The original point I was making was - Razor wouldn't have been forgiven if we'd lost a game because of Bell.
Even though I've pointed out why there was some logic to that selection, which to labour the point with NZ A picks (or not):
Riccitelli - too small
Eklund - too small
Slater - injured
McAlister - another Crusader -
@nostrildamus For his era, Fitzy was big - he wouldn't be now.
None are as big as e.g. Steve Thompson - maybe Sami T.
Coles wasn't huge but was exceptionally fast.
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That's all true and it's fine if we are winning (and well) but we're really not.
At this stage in his coaching cycle, I'm not sure sticking with players at the very fag-end of their careers is the way to go - it just reduces the time he has to build the team he wants.
