All Blacks EOYT
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It's a funny thing to contemplate. I don't have parents from disparate countries and without the reasonable prospect of ever playing for the All Blacks I can't as a Kiwi comprehend playing Test rugby for another country. Not that I'm aware of any chance that option would have materialised outside of (checks rankings) Greece, Monaco or Norway.
But I have represented Australia both through Defence and Parly without a second thought.
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As someone mentioned above, the life of a pro rugby is/can be very short. And playing international rugby greatly increases your earning potential.
I've never had to make the decision, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who makes the move, for ancestry or financial reasons.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?
Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
Don't you live in Aussie these days? If so, how would you feel if your kid represented Australia, got shunned and so decided to represent your country of birth (if that's NZ)?
Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.
Same, I'd probably be a bit on the fence if they were still coveted by their country of birth, but would be right behind them if they were treated as Sotutu appears to have been treated.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.
The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.
The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous
He's no Morne van der Merwe.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.
The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous
He's no Morne van der Merwe.
Duhan, not Morne you pillock
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.
The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous
He's no Morne van der Merwe.
Duhan, not Morne you pillock
And I thought you were a Wellington rugby supporter.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
Post of the year. This deserves all the upvotes.
The hysteria around Sotutu is ridiculous
He's no Morne van der Merwe.
Duhan, not Morne you pillock
And I thought you were a Wellington rugby supporter.
Um yeah most of them could walk past me on the street and I’d have no clue.
I’m no @Canes4life
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
You'd hardly expect Anscombe, or anyone else in that situation, to say anything different though.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational loose forward try-creating talents, the names
McCaw Carter Lomuand Sotutu roll off the tongue.Two were backs, one didn't create the tries directly himself, too busy being a GOAT.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures
I knew as soon as I saw you pop up, something along these lines would be written haha.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
Don't have kids or principles so I can only guess. I'd guess I would tell them to go for it if they so wished. Still don't think they should be allowed to if they had already played for Australia.
Heh. For me, the more the number of kids, the more likely I'd have less principles.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures
No! You did NOT just call a half Samoan dude a monkey. That did not just happen!!
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
I knew as soon as I saw you pop up, something along these lines would be written haha.
Given MN5 sounds like someone tried to pronounce "enema" and missed, that was a ballsy hassle.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures
No! You did NOT just call a half Samoan dude a monkey. That did not just happen!!
Not gonna lie, I'm VERY offended.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
@MN5 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
Yeah, strange attitude, kids with multiple passports can have very strong attachments to both / multiple countries.
My boy considers himself equally a kiwi and japanese.
I'm half Samoan and proudly consider myself Kiwi and Samoan so yeah, everyone's different of course.
I remember Gareth Anscombe saying how he felt just as much of a connection to Wales growing up as his mother is Welsh after copping a bit of criticism for his Welsh call up, and I'm inclined to believe him being in a similar situation, and I assume Hoskins Sotutu would be in the same boat as someone like Anscombe so yeah, I don't see a problem with him changing allegiances.
Part African and part monkey too. That’s a real melting pot of cultures
No! You did NOT just call a half Samoan dude a monkey. That did not just happen!!
Hmmmmm, it does look offensive when you put it like that.
I didn’t make the connection though, I’m very insensitive sometimes.
