All Blacks 2024
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@Chris-B i feel that kind of proves the point, mostly the versatile player came off the bench (SBW and BB)....but specialists mostly started...almost we should be treating them as specialist positions rather than seeming randomly rotating player on and off
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@Kiwiwomble Don't get me wrong, I like specialisation - but, hasn't that largely been the case this year, as well?
Have we had anyone who's not a specialist at any of 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13?
Sititi playing 6 has been a bit of a surprise. Blackadder got a run vs Fiji at 7. He and Jacobsen are bits of Chris Masoe/Victor Vito utilities.
ALB has been a midfield utility for years, so I don't count him.
And the transition of Jordan to fullback has been well telegraphed.
Slightly surprised that they've pushed Rieko to the wing a couple of times.
Who else?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble Don't get me wrong, I like specialisation - but, hasn't that largely been the case this year, as well?
Have we had anyone who's not a specialist at any of 1,2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12,13?
Sititi playing 6 has been a bit of a surprise. Blackadder got a run vs Fiji at 7. He and Jacobsen are bits of Chris Masoe/Victor Vito utilities.
ALB has been a midfield utility for years, so I don't count him.
And the transition of Jordan to fullback has been well telegraphed.
Slightly surprised that they've pushed Rieko to the wing a couple of times.
Who else?
the front row are all specialists generally so yeah
but scooter and vaai are often mentioned as 6 options...so no, not specilsists
both our 10's are 10/15 so no, not specialists,
reece and telea have both played on the left (havent checked if this year) when they started as right wings so no, not specilist,
RI has also covered 11 when starting in midfield,
and ALB plays both 12 and 13
and assuming the team leaked is correct we'll see havili who has play pretty much everywhere -
@Kiwiwomble If we're only going to pick specialists according to your definition, we won't have any players to choose from.
Scooter and Vaa'i are obviously locks.
Colin Meads played quite a few less tests than Scooter - but started twice as many as a loose forward!
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@Chris-B but the comparison was with the 2015 team...how many times did BBBR or whitekock play 6 for the AB's?
or read play 7? savea play on the right? nonu and smith play 15 or wing?
there is a big difference between what in the past was considered versatility and now where its not 100% clear several players best position
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@Kiwiwomble Talking about Razor's era - we haven't had any locks playing 6 have we?
The loosies have shuffled a bit, but mostly it's been Dalton and Cane who are specialist 7s playing 7, Ardie's been a constant at 8. Sititi's been a surprise - and Blackadder and Jacobson have been a bit like Vito was in 2015.
Actually, Ben Franks played both sides during the 2015 RWC, Kaino, Read and Vito all appear to have spent some time at lock. Cane played at 6 - these ones off the bench. SBW played at 12 and 13. Bender at 14 and 15. Beauden at 10 and 15. Colin Slade started a game at fullback.
Vito appears to have played half an hour at centre!
Haven't looked at all of the games.
Though, generally, I'd agree that it seems we've moved towatds placing greater value on utility.
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@canefan for me immediate, we dont want another fozzie debacle where it dragged on and frankly became less and less clear what was going on
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan for me immediate, we dont want another fozzie debacle where it dragged on and frankly became less and less clear what was going on
Fair is fair. If Fozzie faced scrutiny, so should Razor if he isn't performing
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A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
He promised much but ultimately failed to deliver because of injury
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kiwiwomble Talking about Razor's era - we haven't had any locks playing 6 have we?
The loosies have shuffled a bit, but mostly it's been Dalton and Cane who are specialist 7s playing 7, Ardie's been a constant at 8. Sititi's been a surprise - and Blackadder and Jacobson have been a bit like Vito was in 2015.
Actually, Ben Franks played both sides during the 2015 RWC, Kaino, Read and Vito all appear to have spent some time at lock. Cane played at 6 - these ones off the bench. SBW played at 12 and 13. Bender at 14 and 15. Beauden at 10 and 15. Colin Slade started a game at fullback.
Vito appears to have played half an hour at centre!
Haven't looked at all of the games.
Though, generally, I'd agree that it seems we've moved towatds placing greater value on utility.
“I am really big on players playing two positions; their preferred position and another position. Things change really quickly, and the utility factor is critical.”
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
If we are dreaming lets have Nonu thanks
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
Who is the most ill-disciplined All Black?
RNZ crunches the numbers to find New Zealand's biggest card culprit.
"... crunches the numbers"... 'LOL'.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
If we are dreaming lets have Nonu thanks
Absolutely. I can’t even remember Goodhue at all apart from a questionable mullet.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
If we are dreaming lets have Nonu thanks
Absolutely. I can’t even remember Goodhue at all apart from a questionable mullet.
his defensive performance vs SA in WLG was incredible. Test level. But then he got injured, slow and form fell off a cliff
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
A fit and firing Jack Goodhue in his prime (or a player in his mould) would solve a lot of problems in the AB midfield
If we are dreaming lets have Nonu thanks
Absolutely. I can’t even remember Goodhue at all apart from a questionable mullet.
his defensive performance vs SA in WLG was incredible. Test level. But then he got injured, slow and form fell off a cliff
Yeah the not remembering bit is more a comment on me than anything he ever did. Coincided with me not caring a hell of a lot about rugby after so many of my favourites retired.
