All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
How much has anyone here seen of Terheege as a ref? I don’t recall seeing him do much in the past and was wondering what his history is like? Anyone that makes a decision as bad as that knock on, with multiple replays, has to have his decision making called into question (if not his integrity!). On field mistakes can be forgiven, to some extent, but a TMO really should to get it right.
A quick google came up with this incident and comment:
“ I liked the way the ref was confident enough to push back on the TMO when he clearly felt the TMO was just trying to justify its own position.”
The ref was old mate Barnes refusing to accept another bullshit call from Teheege in Scot v Ire match where his interference was not only unwanted, but wrong.You have to wonder what happens after something like that, if anything? Does it even get reviewed? Why do disillusioned fans not get some sort of reassurance that mistakes get looked at (addressed to prevent future occurrences), and not ignored? It just makes me not want to bother watching anymore.
We're talking about his bloke, yeah?
If rugby wants to pretend it's a professional enterprise, referees need to be held accountable, and publicly so the rest of us have confidence they aren't corrupt.
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@antipodean That's exactly why I asked the question. He does have some history of poor decision making (we'll call it that...), 2 incidents already plus the one on the weekend.
At first glance it seems that he is the wrong personality type to be doing the job in the first place. Pushing your own agenda, inability to admit when you are wrong, fear of "losing face". Not desirable qualities in a position of authority to get correct outcomes (or a person in general really).
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Do refs get training in this stuff? Simulated scenarios? Teamwork? Decision making? Stress management? @Damo?
I was going to do some reffing in HKG and all they wanted was my knowledge of the laws, but obviously that was just a start. What happens as they progress to the big gigs?
Obviously, no one dies like they do if I fuck up professionally, but we get training to help us get it right. Do rugby officials? I'm not just talking about "meetings" either.
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Interesting watch, and as Nepia said the change in the thread over the course of the game was pretty funny.
Lomax was good again. De Groot short of a run. Williams good and Tosi looks promising.
Taylor was good-ish, but not as good as against SA - still active, but not as accurate. Needs a rest, and Aumua needs a start to build confidence. Do we know how far off Samisoni is?
Vaai good again. Scott Barrett I dunno. He almost reminds me of a quality cricketer who is named captain then goes into his shell and can't buy a run anymore. Trying for too much control and not enough aggression? Darry isn't an impact player.
The fucken loosies. Sam Cane these days is basically an extra tight forward. He is always going to look terrible in an open game cause he's very slow. So where is the horses for courses selection? Terrible miss to concede the try, especially for a guy who genuinely is a great tackler. Some of the points raised re trying to play at pace for 80 minutes make sense, until you think about picking Sam Cane at openside and asking him to play 80. I think by now the irony of criticising another AB loose forward of being busy but ineffective while Savea is a fixture in the side should be dawning on a few. He's trying hard, but he's not achieving much and he's fucking up a fair bit: world player of the year comprehensively outplayed by Harry Wilson who was excellent. Sititi, you have to love the young man's effort and good to see them using him heavily in the lineout as he has very good hands, if not the tallest bloke. Jacobson is not an impact player.
Ratima - good as expected. Give the young blokes a run. TJ a great kick, but come on, that shit just happens every so often - for example it wasn't as good a kick as Fraser McReight's but I doubt he's going to be tasked with clearances going forward.
McKenzie - didn't look right (crook all week wasn't he?). Some good stuff, some mediocre. I'm not as harsh on the 3 passes as others, because passing involves the catching player too, and you have two good examples there. He throws a forward pass which is in exactly the right place for the supporting Will Jordan - if he throws that pass backwards, it is behind Jordan. Conversely he throws a pass behind Reece - if he throws that pass to Reece, it's probably forward. A bugbear of mine for several years now is our outside backs being too flat - probably an artifact of our dud 10s being not that good at passing and looking for cross-kicks instead.
Jordie some good some mediocre. Rieko some very good some very mediocre. ALB not his best.
Clarke was really, really good. Then really, really dumb. Reece still can't chase a kick effectively, but does some good things. I think it might be time for a look at Narawa. Tavatavanawai I think is the wrong path - he's just another Reece to me.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do refs get training in this stuff? Simulated scenarios? Teamwork? Decision making? Stress management? @Damo?
I was going to do some reffing in HKG and all they wanted was my knowledge of the laws, but obviously that was just a start. What happens as they progress to the big gigs?
Obviously, no one dies like they do if I fuck up professionally, but we get training to help us get it right. Do rugby officials? I'm not just talking about "meetings" either.
At the top level that happens e.g. training simulations, workshops, meetings etc. They do a fair bit - Angus Gardner did a pod with The Roar which talks about the processes - Apple version here but google it if you prefer another platform:
Ep.61 - Lonely Together with Angus Gardner
Podcast Episode · The Roar Rugby Podcast · 08/05/2023 · 59m
Here in Sydney park footy, you get more assessment as you progress, in terms of a Referee Coach doing your notes from the sideline - this goes into your grading and it gets more and more finite as you move up ranks. If you want to do First Grade you need to be considered good enough for First Grade, then as you go up Divisions you need to get better.
At my level the checklist is "has heartbeat, can jog a bit" because they're crying out for refs. I'm 48 and would be at the bottom end of the average age for refs in our competition. The best of the young guys and girls go straight to Premier Rugby.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I've started doing crosswords to ward off dementia
So have I but suspect I left it too late!!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Interesting watch, and as Nepia said the change in the thread over the course of the game was pretty funny.
Lomax was good again. De Groot short of a run. Williams good and Tosi looks promising.
Taylor was good-ish, but not as good as against SA - still active, but not as accurate. Needs a rest, and Aumua needs a start to build confidence. Do we know how far off Samisoni is?
Vaai good again. Scott Barrett I dunno. He almost reminds me of a quality cricketer who is named captain then goes into his shell and can't buy a run anymore. Trying for too much control and not enough aggression? Darry isn't an impact player.
The fucken loosies. Sam Cane these days is basically an extra tight forward. He is always going to look terrible in an open game cause he's very slow. So where is the horses for courses selection? Terrible miss to concede the try, especially for a guy who genuinely is a great tackler. Some of the points raised re trying to play at pace for 80 minutes make sense, until you think about picking Sam Cane at openside and asking him to play 80. I think by now the irony of criticising another AB loose forward of being busy but ineffective while Savea is a fixture in the side should be dawning on a few. He's trying hard, but he's not achieving much and he's fucking up a fair bit: world player of the year comprehensively outplayed by Harry Wilson who was excellent. Sititi, you have to love the young man's effort and good to see them using him heavily in the lineout as he has very good hands, if not the tallest bloke. Jacobson is not an impact player.
Ratima - good as expected. Give the young blokes a run. TJ a great kick, but come on, that shit just happens every so often - for example it wasn't as good a kick as Fraser McReight's but I doubt he's going to be tasked with clearances going forward.
McKenzie - didn't look right (crook all week wasn't he?). Some good stuff, some mediocre. I'm not as harsh on the 3 passes as others, because passing involves the catching player too, and you have two good examples there. He throws a forward pass which is in exactly the right place for the supporting Will Jordan - if he throws that pass backwards, it is behind Jordan. Conversely he throws a pass behind Reece - if he throws that pass to Reece, it's probably forward. A bugbear of mine for several years now is our outside backs being too flat - probably an artifact of our dud 10s being not that good at passing and looking for cross-kicks instead.
Jordie some good some mediocre. Rieko some very good some very mediocre. ALB not his best.
Clarke was really, really good. Then really, really dumb. Reece still can't chase a kick effectively, but does some good things. I think it might be time for a look at Narawa. Tavatavanawai I think is the wrong path - he's just another Reece to me.
Jordan is a better option than BB at fullback.Good post this - mainly because I agree with all of it
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Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
For a place where we get regular sauce on team naming that is often accurate, we have been fed absolutely nothing on this.
Can someone come to the party here*???
*not you George
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
He's an automatic selection, but hadn't been playing that well to be fair. Not like the last few years.
We desparately need ball carriers up front though, so hope he goes well and the Belltroversy can die off
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Dan54 I'm even worse off I read the Fern to ward off dementia
How do you know what's real and what isn't.
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@BerniesCorner It's The Fern - It really doesn't matter
For the odd exception I apply the Winger principle.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Meant to add - the post above asks again, for about the 300th time in the last 6 weeks, when Sami is expected back.
He's an automatic selection, but hadn't been playing that well to be fair. Not like the last few years.
We desparately need ball carriers up front though, so hope he goes well and the Belltroversy can die off
Taukei'aho was in excellent form at the end of the Super season, he was peaking perfectly.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The only players who have showed better form than Super Rugby are George Bell and Stephen Perofeta.
That's just not true...
Taylor and Vaa'i are definitely in better form.
Lomax, Darry, Sititi, Ratima, McKenzie, Ioane are all playing as well, if not better than they did during Super.
De Groot, Finau, Perenara, Jordie Barrett are pretty much on par.
A number of others have had injuries during either Super or the international season so it's hard to get a clear answer one way or another. Others haven't had a huge number of starting opportunities.
