Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@BerniesCorner Reiko from the bench would give real impact against tiring defences and cover for 11/13/14.
Clark and Jordan on the wings. Just need to find a fullback who is brave under the high ball, with a good boot and a sense of adventure to attack when the opportunity presents itself. Love maybe. What about Sullivan? Too raw?
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The name is Rieko.
There are some really overblown comments on this thread.
Kolisi is a decent player, the SA midfield is one of the current best, their bench timings and bench talent clearly better than ours.
We are still very close but something falls off 50 to 60 minutes in. The bench drop is interesting, against England I thought finally the coaches were timing it right.
Not any more.
It's not like NZ to have such an unsettled 15 or back three. Stick to a specialist 15 and choose dominant wingers. For example, I like Reece, he is normally very hardworking, but he seems to get overwhelmed at test level against quality opposion.
Our older bench players are not offering calm heads. I agree we still have a leadership problem. But Cane plays better when not Captain.
Overall I have enjoyed these games (but the reffing last game soured it for me) and if we can improve the backline and the brains I think we are going to do ok.
People have forgotten how badly the ABs were at the start of the Foster period. -
I sound like a broken record but it needs to be highlighted. On at least 2 occasions in this game south African forwards ran at savea one-on-one...
And he backed off and scragged both times instead of coming forward and getting a shoulder in
And a part of me died on each occasion. Our starting #8 is a physical non-entity on defence.
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@BerniesCorner Reiko from the bench would give real impact against tiring defences and cover for 11/13/14.
Clark and Jordan on the wings. Just need to find a fullback who is brave under the high ball, with a good boot and a sense of adventure to attack when the opportunity presents itself. Love maybe. What about Sullivan? Too raw?
I'm not sure about Sullivan but he should be tried, has size, and his boot could be useful
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On the subs
What I think the huge benefit to south africa is, because they do them so early, to the merriment of traditionalists (lol their starters can't even play 60)
When the whips are cracking at the death, their players are well settled in to the rhythm of the game, where as ours, on at a more "traditional" time, are still finding their feet. It's proving an enormous advantage.
Rassie may be a giant fuck wit, but he's on to something in a big way there.
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Well I expected that loss so wasn't as disappointed as otherwise (I'm still more gutted the Pies lost to the dollar bills baabaas).
Taylor was on fire, it's weird my liking of him as a player decreased through no fault of him, he kept getting selected by the coaches when playing cabbage, but that was vintage form from him.
The Boks appear to be Jordan's kryptonite based on this match and the RWC final. He just can't seem to impose himself as we expect. None of our back three were any good, I assume when I read back through the thread that the ire will mostly be directed at Telea, but even the best of them, Reece, was bloody average.
Reffing was a bit of a lottery, as expected, probably more down to style than anything else. Thought he changed the interpretation of ruck stoppages for the one where Marx scored, but we didn't lose due to the ref. I thought for sure that last penalty from DMac went over, but it was 3am so maybe my old man eyes weren't focusing very well.
All of our high kicks were uncontestable, all of theirs were contestable. Why do we bother doing them if we can't compete?
I thought Barrett was going to bring some leadership? I don't really see it.
Cane was slightly inaccurate at times but he was just hitting people and rucks all day. You can't watch that match and not see why even Razor is picking him.
Vai'i had another good match, and is very enthusiastic. Most of the pack went well - Williams, Lomax (card aside, and even then there wasn't much in that, it looked to me like he braced for impact rather than change his line) and the already mentioned players.
TJP just needs to keep his mouth shut now, but I'm not convinced he's worse than other players, but he's clearly being targeted by the refs now so he needs to zip it.
I watched the match with the sound off, it was quite a nice way to watch it, I could focus on plays and players without commentator hyping. Although there were some areas I was a bit confused, but still might be my new style of watching, especially when Nisbett is the commentator.
Well what a shit weekend of sport. At least the Warriors got 2 points.
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And that's old school thought too "oh they are our best players, playing well, leave them on".
We have for years railed against sub by numbers, but there does need to be more thought
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@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
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@mariner4life it suits the Boks because they have 2 sets of tight fives that are of similar quality.
No other country comes close to their depth in this area. Possibly France.
Rassie chances it with his 6/2 or 7/1 splits, but until he cracks a mirror or runs over a black cat, his luck on injuries may well continue 😬
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
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@nostrildamus he’s playing 7 for Auckland, so play him there. If Cane doesn’t go on EOYT, 7s should be DP, Segner and Savea to cover if needed.
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In my book after that performance Sititi gets to pick 8 or 6.
Do people agree it was mad to take him off.Savea is good enough to play 6,7 or 8.
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Things aren't quite right in the loosies.
I agree, Robertson has done a really shit job with his specialist area
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Canes4life I hope you never coach the all blacks
Take your blinkers off, he's been well below his best this year and wasn't that great in Super Rugby either.
You're the one that thinks Jordie is 'great'. He's isn't even close to being a great AB. Infact he's building a reputation of botching shit when it matters. (Twice for the Canes against the Brumbies in consecutive years) and for the ABs in the WC final, and then again for the Canes in the semi against the Chiefs this year where he had a shocker.
In saying all that, he's probably the best we have to choose from atm so he keeps his spot. That just shows how shit our depth is atm.
