Springboks vs All Blacks I
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They need to clarify the TJP penalty. Did he verbally abuse the ref? e.g. call him a blind idiot? The ball was interfered with by an offside SA player, borderline YC for cynical play, TJP to his credit tidied it up and cleared the ball, then you can see him gesturing to the ref for a penalty - what did he say that warranted the penalty being reversed? Halfbacks calling for penalties is something that happens 100s of times in every game of rugby ever played.
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That loss must be a tough one for Razor to swallow. If we had gotten over the line that would have taken a lot of pressure off him and his coaching group. As it stands, the RC has been a complete disaster to date.
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@No-Quarter no idea what he said, but the refs response was "if you shout at me like that again, you'll leave the field".
Good fucking job, it's a blight on the game in general, and a weakness in TJPs game because he gets caught out yapping when he should be playing fairly frequently. -
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Good fucking job, it's a blight on the game in general,
I couldn't agree more.
However, it's the randomness of this. WOuld be like pinging a halfback for not puttin gthe ball in straight at a scrum ... but without a warning and randomly. That is the frustration, particularly when other players later in the Test approached that same standard.
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@reprobate OK that's fine but then why wasn't the SA 10 penalised for his spray at the TJ? Why isn't every HB penalised for that every game? Why is that the first time any of us have seen a penalty for that? A test between the All Blacks and SA is not the time to set new precedents, that direction should come from World Rugby surely? Hence I'd like them to clarify that as it makes the game hard to follow.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Beauden Barrett was dogshit. Why a player with his experience gets a pass for brain dead kicks, not knowing whether its half time, kicks out on the full, kicking the ball away multiple times when chasing the game is beyond me. The saffa wasn't great, but he hardly needed to be to make team of the week.
He reminds me a bit of Ardie in that he gets put on a pedastal , particularly from overseas fans , even when he hasnt offered much
Ardie is not offering much, Beauden is making mistakes that would see a debutant get crucified on here.
Although now that I think about it, Ardie's pass to nobody and the way he keeps getting bundled into touch giving possession away might qualify. -
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Composite XV from starters: Nche, Taylor, Lomax, Barrett, Vaa’i, Cane, Du Toit, Wiese, Perenara, SFM, Barrett, Ioane, Clarke, Kolbe, Barrett.
No way 4/5 of the best starting front five were in black.
Your front row more or less held on - which I guess is enough to give them 2/3 frontrowers.
I didn’t notice Captain Barrett until Kolbe bounced him. I noticed Vaa’i playing like a TEMU knockoff Flavell. He’s helluva tough as long as he’s up against an outside back or when the other bloke’s defenceless.
Aside from the interception, Jordie was bang average. DDA made three ruck turnovers (two jackals and driving an AB over the touchline) but he did throw the intercept, didn’t add much in attack (though he wasn’t asked to really) and was a little at sea defensively when he moved out one spot.
Old Barrett was outplayed by Fassi. Comprehensively.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate OK that's fine but then why wasn't the SA 10 penalised for his spray at the TJ? Why isn't every HB penalised for that every game? Why is that the first time any of us have seen a penalty for that? A test between the All Blacks and SA is not the time to set new precedents, that direction should come from World Rugby surely? Hence I'd like them to clarify that as it makes the game hard to follow.
Don't know what he said, so can't judge consistency - but he certainly is a serial offender, and I hate it and would be glad to see it penalised more often.
The reffing inconsistency I'm worried about is not looking at the knock-on when scoring a try, that's fucking weird. -
@Smuts Agree with much of that, athough I thought Vaii went well.
You can't give a bloke who throws that intercept the nod, unless he plays an absolute blinder - he was good apart from that, but not good enough to make the team if you include it. -
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate I hope the AB selectors think the way you do on both players
Not sure what they've got to do with De Allende, but sure.
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@reprobate just that I’d take DDA’s performance on Sat over Jordie’s - the intercept notwithstanding
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb No disrespect but you've downplayed the Mbonambi lost ball. The outcome was unacceptable and the officials should acknowledge they erred.
No disrespect but the outcome was very far from unacceptable. It wasn’t clearly and obviously wrong anyway so it couldn’t be reversed.
More importantly you’ve ignored Billy’s understatement that for every baffling call against the ABs there was an equally baffling call against the Boks.
Anyone who’s watched Brace ref a few URC games will tell you that this is standard for him. His decisions are as baffling as the fact that he keeps failing upward.
Rubbish take on the clear and obvious knock on or didn’t you see the ball bounce on the ground?
Billy’s comment is a cliche with nothing to back it up
Actually, I was trying to avoid a tit-for-tat on could've - would've...
If you want examples I'll give you two:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
Sam Cane breaking Kolisi's cheek with his head in the tackle - definite yellow, likely red card...So no - not a cliche. We can argue who got more bad calls till the cows come home, point being some shockers against the Boks too and the ref did not cost the AB's the game. Poor game management and running out of puff in the last 10... maybe look there?
😂🤣🤣🤣
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Three main events in 70 - 75.
First, at 73 Boks maul stopped and Finau come up side. Pretty sure he heard Brace say 'don't change your bind' but not 'out, out'.
Completely unnecessary, as Boks going backwards and RD effected turnover at 73.17. The following 5m lineout leads to try.
Darry make run and tackled at 76:14. Knee on ground but Etzebeth doesn't release. Pen ought to have gone our way.
Last two minutes BB and I think DMac both try kick passes when possession absolutely key. FFS.
That said, reffing from 65 - 68 cut our legs from under us.
This situation just shows the stupidity of the knee on the ground = tackle interpretation.
Does no such thing. A tackle requires a definition and Barry met that definition. The ref was incompetent.
That was a maul if a player from either side was bound to Darry and on their feet.
But there weren't, so why bring that up?
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
PSdT drove into Lomax before Savea was back on the ground. Pushed him across and was stuck there.
Thankfully there's always some South African failing in an attempt to make a case for his team. All this "analyst" has done is highlight an early drive.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate just that I’d take DDA’s performance on Sat over Jordie’s - the intercept notwithstanding
I think both players were excellent. Neither are flashy but they do the hard yards to create space for those around them. I'd take either of them in my team.
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@reprobate Agree with you about the yapping - but, I wonder how many times Brace sent Jonny Sexton off. A weekly occurrence?
The somewhat annoying thing about that incident is that while play continued, PSdT hit Blackadder high in what would have been a very kickable position.
Overall, that was a really good test - very physical.
@pakman - have you done your scrum analysis? There were a couple around 55-60 mins where the Bok loosehead didn't look to be binding legally to me.
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman - have you done your scrum analysis? There were a couple around 55-60 mins where the Bok loosehead didn't look to be binding legally to me.
Probably couldn't while his tighthead was trying to scrum off his knees.
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@antipodean have another look but this time open your eye.
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@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@antipodean have another look but this time open your eye.
The fucking irony.
