Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman Many posters weren't worried about the poor finish in Argie 2, wasn't here to comment much in the England series. But it seems our play when the bench comes on has been weak for a while and it manifested predictably in Joburg on the weekend.
If we’d changed cattle at 63 when 5m out from Bok line, it couldn’t have made things worse, but at least they wouldn’t have come on to face as their first plays a couple of heavy duty mauls in and around our own 22.
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@junior said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Three main events in 70 - 75.
First, at 73 Boks maul stopped and Finau come up side. Pretty sure he heard Brace say 'don't change your bind' but not 'out, out'.
Completely unnecessary, as Boks going backwards and RD effected turnover at 73.17. The following 5m lineout leads to try.
Darry make run and tackled at 76:14. Knee on ground but Etzebeth doesn't release. Pen ought to have gone our way.
Last two minutes BB and I think DMac both try kick passes when possession absolutely key. FFS.
That said, reffing from 65 - 68 cut our legs from under us.
Nice but post actually your not allowed to say any of that on here otherwise some braindead idiot like @Dan54, @Billy-Webb or @Smuts will gallop on on his fucking high horse and point out that the refs didn’t cost the ABs the game (whilst implicitly reserving the right to blame the ref for single handedly gifting the ABs the win next week if those circumstances eventuate).
Well talking of braindead, show me in a post where I have ever blamed a ref for an ABs win or loss?? Just one would be ok.
You obviously don't understand what I am saying refs make mistakes , as do players, but once a ref has made a decision and it's on the scoreboard it's no good crying and kicking your feet about it, it make syou look a pisspoor loser whereevr you from.
Remember when we won test against Wallabies a couple of years back when ref rulled that Foley took to long to kick ball out. I said exactly same thing there to Aussie supporters too! -
@booboo said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Smuts said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
This situation just shows the stupidity of the knee on the ground = tackle interpretation
Lose the argument, call for rule change to change reality.
Wasn’t engaging in any argument about whether Brace got that call right or wrong. As we won, I’m above nitpicking individual whistleswallows/blows. Next week I might not be
I am saying that it’s a stupid rule.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
AB first try - truck&trailer.
PSdT drove into Lomax before Savea was back on the ground. Pushed him across and was stuck there.
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@Billy-Webb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Thirdly, I note with interest that you pointedly ignore the Sam Cane incident.
As others have said, it only came out recently. So it didn't get a lot of attention previously.
Rugby doesn't know how to deal with players dipping into tackles. It's a real problem. Cane got low-ish, Kolisi got lower and it's contact. By the laws at the moment, it's probably a YC - but can argue for penalty or RC if you have one eye
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Is it a "clear red" or an uptick yellow?
I'm making the point that it wasn't even looked at. Sam Cane has a history of doing these types of upright tackles, needs coaching. Probably should have been red by the rules, but in the spirit of the game - yellow. bolded textBut i'm not a TMObolded text
Thank fuck for that 😃
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@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MajorRage said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I’ve stayed out of the ref stuff until now but I think the confusing part for me is the different extremes they go to at times ,
In the wc final they go back a zillion phases to look at a slight knock on in the lead up to a try, and then here they don’t even look at a knock on in the act of scoring it.
Exactly this.
What is the point of a TMO?
Exactly. Canes head to Kolisis face should have been a clear red. Instead it’s play on.
Do South Africans use a protractor at school?
Kolisi has bent his upper body to nearly 90 degrees just before impact.
Almost impossible to adjust to that in 500ms as a defender.Some things in rugby are never going to be 100% clear. Not like Mbonambi's spilled ball.
'Was there a TMO!?' - Outrage as Siya Kolisi is injured by unpunished Sam Cane high tackle
Springboks captain Siya Kolisi is set to miss the second match against the All Blacks after sustaining a facial injury in the 31-27 victory at Ellis Park.
Double standard much? Really amusing how some are so one eyed. (and I'm not talking about siysa face) I do get it though, very similar to a lot of SA fans.
I looked at the replay, very inconclusive and hard to see any head contact.
I reckon Rassie must have smacked him while in the sheds to try and get Cane into trouble
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Beauden Barrett was dogshit. Why a player with his experience gets a pass for brain dead kicks, not knowing whether its half time, kicks out on the full, kicking the ball away multiple times when chasing the game is beyond me. The saffa wasn't great, but he hardly needed to be to make team of the week.
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@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Beauden Barrett was dogshit. Why a player with his experience gets a pass for brain dead kicks, not knowing whether its half time, kicks out on the full, kicking the ball away multiple times when chasing the game is beyond me. The saffa wasn't great, but he hardly needed to be to make team of the week.
He reminds me a bit of Ardie in that he gets put on a pedastal , particularly from overseas fans , even when he hasnt offered much
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Beauden Barrett was dogshit. Why a player with his experience gets a pass for brain dead kicks, not knowing whether its half time, kicks out on the full, kicking the ball away multiple times when chasing the game is beyond me. The saffa wasn't great, but he hardly needed to be to make team of the week.
He reminds me a bit of Ardie in that he gets put on a pedastal , particularly from overseas fans , even when he hasnt offered much
Yep I was polishing that pedestal for a while, and for the most part it was worth a polish
But he’s gone away from what he excels at and it’s costing the ABs
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They need to clarify the TJP penalty. Did he verbally abuse the ref? e.g. call him a blind idiot? The ball was interfered with by an offside SA player, borderline YC for cynical play, TJP to his credit tidied it up and cleared the ball, then you can see him gesturing to the ref for a penalty - what did he say that warranted the penalty being reversed? Halfbacks calling for penalties is something that happens 100s of times in every game of rugby ever played.
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That loss must be a tough one for Razor to swallow. If we had gotten over the line that would have taken a lot of pressure off him and his coaching group. As it stands, the RC has been a complete disaster to date.
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@No-Quarter no idea what he said, but the refs response was "if you shout at me like that again, you'll leave the field".
Good fucking job, it's a blight on the game in general, and a weakness in TJPs game because he gets caught out yapping when he should be playing fairly frequently. -
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Good fucking job, it's a blight on the game in general,
I couldn't agree more.
However, it's the randomness of this. WOuld be like pinging a halfback for not puttin gthe ball in straight at a scrum ... but without a warning and randomly. That is the frustration, particularly when other players later in the Test approached that same standard.
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@reprobate OK that's fine but then why wasn't the SA 10 penalised for his spray at the TJ? Why isn't every HB penalised for that every game? Why is that the first time any of us have seen a penalty for that? A test between the All Blacks and SA is not the time to set new precedents, that direction should come from World Rugby surely? Hence I'd like them to clarify that as it makes the game hard to follow.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@reprobate said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Beauden Barrett was dogshit. Why a player with his experience gets a pass for brain dead kicks, not knowing whether its half time, kicks out on the full, kicking the ball away multiple times when chasing the game is beyond me. The saffa wasn't great, but he hardly needed to be to make team of the week.
He reminds me a bit of Ardie in that he gets put on a pedastal , particularly from overseas fans , even when he hasnt offered much
Ardie is not offering much, Beauden is making mistakes that would see a debutant get crucified on here.
Although now that I think about it, Ardie's pass to nobody and the way he keeps getting bundled into touch giving possession away might qualify. -
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Composite XV from starters: Nche, Taylor, Lomax, Barrett, Vaa’i, Cane, Du Toit, Wiese, Perenara, SFM, Barrett, Ioane, Clarke, Kolbe, Barrett.
No way 4/5 of the best starting front five were in black.
Your front row more or less held on - which I guess is enough to give them 2/3 frontrowers.
I didn’t notice Captain Barrett until Kolbe bounced him. I noticed Vaa’i playing like a TEMU knockoff Flavell. He’s helluva tough as long as he’s up against an outside back or when the other bloke’s defenceless.
Aside from the interception, Jordie was bang average. DDA made three ruck turnovers (two jackals and driving an AB over the touchline) but he did throw the intercept, didn’t add much in attack (though he wasn’t asked to really) and was a little at sea defensively when he moved out one spot.
Old Barrett was outplayed by Fassi. Comprehensively.
