All Blacks 2024
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Defensively Jordie is our best fullback, followed by Beauden, and then a lot of daylight to Perofeta, Love and Jordan. SS is even worse which is why he hasn't been able to crack the team.
That's why the last coaching group and this one have persisted with Beauden now his brother has moved to 12. I really don't get the hate for him at the back, defensively sound, a good organiser, and still has the pace to exploit opportunities that present themselves which he has been superb at doing his entire career. His days at 10 are behind him but he's a valuable player for us in the 15 jumper.
Love is probably the best NZ fullback under the high balls.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
NH never rated Bridge as high as NZ did
Define "NZ" in this context?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
NH never rated Bridge as high as NZ did
Define "NZ" in this context?
The NZers who selected him
The NZers who supported that selection -
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
NH never rated Bridge as high as NZ did
Define "NZ" in this context?
The NZers who selected him
The NZers who supported that selectionSo a widely derided subset of the population, and a few Cantabs.
But I repeat myself.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet I'd feel more comfortable with him at fullback than Jordan and the whole point of him being there is for his utility "value".
Didnt Havili score against SA on debut at Fullback?
do you think scoring a try makes him a good fullback?
I just don't think it's relevant. George Bridge scored the most tries in Super one year and his highlights reel was running in with no defenders in sight. It's a terrible metric, but one that lazy journalists and northern hemisphere have always leaned into. Now creating tries is different ... Will Jordan got plaudits last week, but the pass from TJP was insanely good - incredibly hard to defend and put his man in space. THat was the magic.
NH never rated Bridge as high as NZ did
Define "NZ" in this context?
The NZers who selected him
The NZers who supported that selectionSo a widely derided subset of the population, and a few Cantabs.
So the very best of the best then…
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Always liked him as a player, but he is another one of our recent backs who is a yard too slow and/or not quite physical enough.
Your ALB's, your George Bridges, your Havilis of the world.
Wow. I can’t believe I just read ALB being used as an example alongside Havili and Bridge. Put some respect on ALB’s name. Havili wouldn’t even be in this squad if there was a different head coach. On Bridge, I don’t even need to go there.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Always liked him as a player, but he is another one of our recent backs who is a yard too slow and/or not quite physical enough.
Your ALB's, your George Bridges, your Havilis of the world.
Wow. I can’t believe I just read ALB being used as an example alongside Havili and Bridge. Put some respect on ALB’s name. Havili wouldn’t even be in this squad if there was a different head coach. On Bridge, I don’t even need to go there.
I am not a fan of DH, but Foster picked him too. Foster is a different head coach isn't he?
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@Crazy-Horse and he was first picked by Hansen. But who’s counting coaches
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@Crazy-Horse and he was first picked by Hansen. But who’s counting coaches
One coach made a mistake. Another selected him because he's experienced at Test level and yet another cause he knows him.
Jokes aside I think Havili's career has been mismanaged by the Crusaders - clearly good enough to start at SR level but moved from what should've been his best position to accommodate the players around him.
His talent doesn't correlate with the position and style the ABs have asked of him. It's their persistence which is baffling to me.
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2024:
Stevenson has only himself to blame for lack of ABs opportunities. If you don’t even bother to pretend to defend / make tackles then it’s all your fault. It’s not talent with him, it’s mindset. He’s a good attacker but the opportunities are far more limited at international rugby, defence is a lot more important
Agreed. One only needs to watch footage of him juxtaposed with Furbank. Chalk and cheese.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Always liked him as a player, but he is another one of our recent backs who is a yard too slow and/or not quite physical enough.
Your ALB's, your George Bridges, your Havilis of the world.
Wow. I can’t believe I just read ALB being used as an example alongside Havili and Bridge. Put some respect on ALB’s name. Havili wouldn’t even be in this squad if there was a different head coach. On Bridge, I don’t even need to go there.
I am not a fan of DH, but Foster picked him too. Foster is a different head coach isn't he?
I guess you can just brush over the part where I said ‘THIS’ squad. Lol. Hes been terrible all season for the Crusaders is way out of form, doesn’t deserve to be in the squad but is because he’s played for Razor at the crusaders. Hence the ‘This’ squad. But carry on…
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@ACT-Crusader I never mentioned anything about the past did I? I simply mentioned ‘this’ squad. Good to see there are still a few Havili apologists out there though
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@ACT-Crusader I never mentioned anything about the past did I? I simply mentioned ‘this’ squad. Good to see there are still a few Havili apologists out there though
Oooh I can play this game too.
I never responded to you just @Crazy-Horse because he mentioned Foster.
But now that I am replying to your comment, the whole premise of your argument was that another coach wouldn’t select him in this squad, which is just an opinion suggesting he is only there as a ‘crusader pick’ or because of favouritism or something along those lines. Not sure there is any basis in that opinion but all good it’s yours.
Also I would debate the use of apologist because that suggests the defending is on a controversial decision, whereas given his selection by the past two coaches it wouldn’t be seen as that controversial by some. Also very few that were in the RWC squad aren’t in this squad. But again that’s open to debate.
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@ACT-Crusader fair enough mate, pretty hard to figure out over this forum how to take someone’s comment so apologies if I’ve taken yours the wrong way and was in response to someone else.
The opinion about Havili stands though, not alone in that opinion either that’s for sure. In saying all of that, I have been on here saying he can be a good player. Personally just think he is well past his best and is only there due to the head coach. 👍🏽
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
Wow. I can’t believe I just read ALB being used as an example alongside Havili and Bridge.
Yep. rock solid and a great team player happy to play anywhere. Fully deserves 100 caps.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
Wow. I can’t believe I just read ALB being used as an example alongside Havili and Bridge.
Yep. rock solid and a great team player happy to play anywhere. Fully deserves 100 caps.
Probably harshly judged based on coming after Smith , Nonu and SBW.
But I have to be honest he has never blown me away.
Too much sideways running behind the gain line from my bar stool.
I'll also admit, there isnt exactly load of lads knocking the door down to take his place.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
Thought this was mildly interesting. Springboks number one and RWC champs... but the blackness is clearly the biggest billing...
Biggest or first?
Wales have Fiji, Australia and SA in that order
I would posit that is challenge and significance ordered too
