All Blacks v Argentina II
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Much more effective than cross kicks. Also nice to avoid too many speculators in our own half until we'd won the battle up front
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
You claimed he was a defensive powerhouse..
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You brought up how there were no linebreaks/turnovers insinuating this was Riekos doing.
So you agree he was ineffectual in attack, conceded the most turnovers and was a spectator in defense with a grand total of 2 tackles all game.
I swear reading comprehension isn't taught in schools anymore.
You know you could clarify what you meant instead of pivoting to insults.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
It's the double edged sword that is the aura
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
How is a tackle in the ribs high? There’s head contact when the ball carrier hinges horizontal into contact. If that is yellow, then you have to PK every time a bloke drops his head running at the line.
I think you have to look at the way the tackle is ruled these days to see your argument is false. Aumua was too upright, and there is head to head contact along with the impact from the tackle to the body. You can't get away with that most of the time, as a general rule this is nothing new for the last couple of years. Of course there have been the odd incident that has been let go (Kolisi on Ardie, Porter on BBBR) for reasons I can't understand.
I don't understand why either but I have a suspicion that a different standard was applied to All Blacks on the receiving end. The motive can only be explained by the referee who stands out as a statistical anomaly.
To be fair, Rugby Jesus getting off was down to the TMO due to the "sudden change of height" ...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
Clarke and Jordan will be a handful. If we can win or at least par the collision area/breakdown
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
Chip kicks in behind early didn't hurt
Chip kicks did come off but margins are small, might need to try something different against the Bok
Boks leave a lot of space out wide. Just need a winger that can jumped higher than Kolbe...
Clarke and Jordan will be a handful. If we can win or at least par the collision area/breakdown
Unpossible. The 😱 bomb squad 😧 ...
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Was at the game last night. Couple of observations:
- Va’ai and Ardie were very good
- Jordan is a weapon obviously, but prone to making bad calls from fullback
- Chips were useful on a heavy ground to turn the defense around initially, variation seems to be the key to upsetting rush defence
- Scrum a big part of ABs gaining upper hand
- kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs. Aimless field kicking (including box kicks) put us under pressure a few times, touch-finding never has any range. DMac and Beaudy are both wanting in those areas. Jordie with a howler near the end.
- Argies didn’t turn up and seemed pretty gutted at the end
- Disappointing how ABs lost shape after such a great start, but forgivable
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs.
Really?
Felt the deep crossfield kicking aiming at the 50-22s pinned them back and worked really well.
Much happier with those than the middle distance kicking last year's team employed.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs.
Really?
Felt the deep crossfield kicking aiming at the 50-22s pinned them back and worked really well.
Much happier with those than the middle distance kicking last year's team employed.
IMHO we need to work on our accuracy (DMac overcooked a couple for example), but the intent was good. Not a box kick in sight for much of the game. And good riddance
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@Darth-Sader
Against SA to have any chance we must mix the attack up a bit otherwise we have no chance.
Great to see long exits and not mucking around in own half. -
Been flamed on here before stating Grant Fox wipers never go out of fashion. 50:22 is an added bonus.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was at the game last night. Couple of observations:
- Va’ai and Ardie were very good
- Jordan is a weapon obviously, but prone to making bad calls from fullback
- Chips were useful on a heavy ground to turn the defense around initially, variation seems to be the key to upsetting rush defence
- Scrum a big part of ABs gaining upper hand
- kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs. Aimless field kicking (including box kicks) put us under pressure a few times, touch-finding never has any range. DMac and Beaudy are both wanting in those areas. Jordie with a howler near the end.
- Argies didn’t turn up and seemed pretty gutted at the end
- Disappointing how ABs lost shape after such a great start, but forgivable
At the ground didn't the kicking seem reasonable in the conditions? On tv the ground etc looked pretty greasy
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Was at the game last night. Couple of observations:
- Va’ai and Ardie were very good
- Jordan is a weapon obviously, but prone to making bad calls from fullback
- Chips were useful on a heavy ground to turn the defense around initially, variation seems to be the key to upsetting rush defence
- Scrum a big part of ABs gaining upper hand
- kicking (place-kicking aside) is very average from ABs. Aimless field kicking (including box kicks) put us under pressure a few times, touch-finding never has any range. DMac and Beaudy are both wanting in those areas. Jordie with a howler near the end.
- Argies didn’t turn up and seemed pretty gutted at the end
- Disappointing how ABs lost shape after such a great start, but forgivable
At the ground didn't the kicking seem reasonable in the conditions? On tv the ground etc looked pretty greasy
Possibly a harsh assessment, but there were definitely times where we put ourselves under pressure or lost opportunities with inaccurate kicking. Against a stronger side eg SA they will punish us. The Argues handling (in very poor conditions) let us off the hook a few times.
