All Blacks v Argentina II
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Very encouraging performance from the boys last night. We played with the kind of control we are going to need against the jaapies if we stand any sort of chance. Good ball retention, kicking for distance out of our danger zone, strong direct running and control of the breakdown. Execution wasn't perfect, but the intention was great
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This isn't a dig at Rieko's game last night because I thought he did ok, but a couple of matches ago the comms mentioned he hasn't scored a try this year. Is that right?
I'm interested to see him getting slated here. For most of the game he wasn't given the ball anywhere he could do anything with it. The coaching appears to have both midfielders playing close and straight to open the field for the looping player (see Jordan's try last night)
Other time Jordie just shuffles him the ball right at the line.If we are going to play like that it's a complete waste of his talents.
Id love him back out on the left wing.
His try against England in the drawn game at Twickenham is indicative of what he can do. I think Telea or Reece get caught by the defender in the same situation.
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Love the consistent Sotutu and Akira comments. Two players that never really grabbed test rugby until they didn't play.
Akira wasn't great V Otago on Friday...and you would hardly call the opposition international level...
He has one foot on the plane to Japan - I'm not surprised he is going through the motions playing in front of 2 men and a dog.
The last game he played that mattered was the Super Rugby final and he was the best player on the field playing 6.
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Good win. Does it not rain in Argentina? They didn't handle the conditions at all, they were awful frankly.
We were busy and harrassed the Argentinians in to errors. And then buttfucked their scrum. Lineout was OK, lots of using our shorter jumpers at 2.
Good with turnover ball as well.
Last 20 was a bit ordinary, but everything looked like it had an extra edge to it. Some of the poor bits from last week were still there, and weirdly I think we score less points in the dry. Nice confidence booster before the next challenge.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Good win. Does it not rain in Argentina? They didn't handle the conditions at all, they were awful frankly.
We were busy and harrassed the Argentinians in to errors. And then buttfucked their scrum. Lineout was OK, lots of using our shorter jumpers at 2.
Good with turnover ball as well.
Last 20 was a bit ordinary, but everything looked like it had an extra edge to it. Some of the poor bits from last week were still there, and weirdly I think we score less points in the dry. Nice confidence booster before the next challenge.
They were the same team as last weekend. The difference was all on us. Amazing what happens when you put a team under pressure
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snowy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet the latter period. Surprised at those numbers.
Me too.....8 tries from an Allblack back over 5 seasons is paltry enough fare.
Will Jordan has 33 tries in the same time period and missed the whole EOYT 2022, and the first 3.5 games of this season for example.
Think he missed a few more games with injury too...think he got KO'd against Australia early on in his career.
Beaudy has been ever present.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
YC was BS and we all know it and it was that man again MJ in the TMO box that put yet another AB in the bin for nowt.
It was an absolutely stone-cold Yellow Card and it would have been for the last ten years in any Rugby Union game officiated by a European ref.
You can't go high and anywhere near the head and expect to stay on the field. I've seen dozens of those given.
The players in the Irish National side have learned how to never, ever do that. Some of the AB squad still need to learn.
Didn’t hit him high though did he. He smacked him fair in the ribs.
The minority report of yellow cards.
He got done for "pre crimes".
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
YC was BS and we all know it and it was that man again MJ in the TMO box that put yet another AB in the bin for nowt.
It was an absolutely stone-cold Yellow Card and it would have been for the last ten years in any Rugby Union game officiated by a European ref.
You can't go high and anywhere near the head and expect to stay on the field. I've seen dozens of those given.
The players in the Irish National side have learned how to never, ever do that. Some of the AB squad still need to learn.
Didn’t hit him high though did he. He smacked him fair in the ribs.
Head to head contact is a YC all day now
Did it get upgraded?
By the rules it’s yellow but the Argies change of direction into him is mitigation for me.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
YC was BS and we all know it and it was that man again MJ in the TMO box that put yet another AB in the bin for nowt.
It was an absolutely stone-cold Yellow Card and it would have been for the last ten years in any Rugby Union game officiated by a European ref.
You can't go high and anywhere near the head and expect to stay on the field. I've seen dozens of those given.
The players in the Irish National side have learned how to never, ever do that. Some of the AB squad still need to learn.
Didn’t hit him high though did he. He smacked him fair in the ribs.
Head to head contact is a YC all day now
Did it get upgraded?
By the rules it’s yellow but the Argies change of direction into him is mitigation for me.
No. Stayed yellow.
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Disappointed we didn’t kick on but I’ve not played senior rugby so when the game is won surely a bit of self preservation comes into play.
Why hit at 100% when the injury risk is higher when the 5 points is bagged?
A parallel would be my last marathon where with 2 miles to go my first ever sub 4 was bagged. I decided to push harder and immediately felt things start to tweak. So I backed off the pace a bit. Goal was complete, so no point risking injury for nothing.
I do wonder if the same thing goes through their minds.
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Must echo @mariner4life 's thoughts, particularly about how poor the Argies' handling was.
Certainly helped us out. Having said that we played for a bit of that with the chips and grubbers to space.
But, even given that, I feel vindicated in my assessment of the two teams after last week's game.
We are the better team by some distance, just did virtually none of the repeat dumb shit to gift them points.
Trip to the Republic gonna be fun.
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- It was high.
- There was some head contact.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The way games go to shit when teams empty the bench is another advert for less subs per game
The boks games don't, so it's to do with the players and coaches, not the rules
Sweeping statement backed up by nothing at all
Welcome to the Fern!
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yeah unimpressed with that. Couldn’t get 50. It’s one thing to win super rugby trophies, test match footy is another beast. Really needs a cotter and Schmidt coaching ticket. Savea - hopeless. Need sotutu. Need akira. Perenara - hopeless, ratima should have started. Williams - hopeless. Just a token cantab selection. Need more mongrel and physicality.
A bit OTT and a broken record, but that repeating track hits the spot!
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6 A Ioane
7 A Savea
8 H Sotutu
-wouldn't have done too badly IMO. The loose trio played ok to good yesterday but still not greater than the sum of their parts. -
I liked the short ball from Jordie to Rieko that they used a couple of times, if there is a poor read or miss there, I think it is well designed for him. If we can get animation and timing then I could see what they were trying to achieve.
Also, with this idea of chips to break down the rush, he’s very valuable - I liked how they used Dmac there as well - he seems much quicker and can change direction much better than Jordie. That try was so well done that we can hold either hold the man behind (creating wider space) or take advantage anytime there isn’t a man behind.
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What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Disappointed we didn’t kick on but I’ve not played senior rugby so when the game is won surely a bit of self preservation comes into play.
Why hit at 100% when the injury risk is higher when the 5 points is bagged?
A parallel would be my last marathon where with 2 miles to go my first ever sub 4 was bagged. I decided to push harder and immediately felt things start to tweak. So I backed off the pace a bit. Goal was complete, so no point risking injury for nothing.
I do wonder if the same thing goes through their minds.
It was good to let the bench get on and have a run, although it would have been more valuable IMHO if we stayed with the same gameplan as the first half
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
What happened to the Argie linespeed and aggressive defensive line?
You can't rush up when you are forced to defend the forward pack running up the middle
