All Blacks v Argentina II
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The way games go to shit when teams empty the bench is another advert for less subs per game
The boks games don't, so it's to do with the players and coaches, not the rules
2nd half last week was Boks 12 Wallabies 7
But they still looked cohesive.
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TJP is an enigmatic player. Much better performance in fairly average conditions. And I don't think there's another halfback who could've set up Jordan for that try.
But in dry weather we need faster service from rucks.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big and physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big and physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
No points for the last 37 minutes, that's shit
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@Stag Other sides are looking to run round Props.
If props can make several early, hard hits, it sends a massive signal to the opposition.
Both Lomax and Williams did that tonight. Their work in the tight was excellent too.
You are right Williams needs to work on his ball-carrying though. Technically he's not as good as Lomax yet IMHO, but my God he's a talent.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stag said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I’m a Williams fan, but he had 2 runs for no run meters and made 9 tackles. He scrummed well but overall was adequate rather than superb🤷♂️
9 tackles for a prop is good
Not to mention earning 2 penalties to dig your team out of a hole and destroy the opposition's confidence. Weird take eh. Was only on for 60ish mins too right?
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big a physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
The first 40 minutes is where we lost the last two world cups
2019 we got physically blown away in the first half and were behind the 8 ball
2023 we got 2 cards in the first 40
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big a physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
The first 40 minutes is where we lost the last two world cups
2019 we got physically blown away in the first half and were behind the 8 ball
2023 we got 2 cards in the first 40
Still 40 mins short
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This may have been mentioned but we didn't look like scoring a try after DMac was subbed. BB at 1st 5 and Jordan at fullback was hardly a success.
Jordan is not a fullback.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This may have been mentioned but we didn't look like scoring a try after DMac was subbed. BB at 1st 5 and Jordan at fullback was hardly a success.
I'm offended you doubt my broken record abilities.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big and physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
A bullshit RC and two missed kicks you'd normally bank is hardly a compelling argument that we can't play for 80mins.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
TJP is an enigmatic player. Much better performance in fairly average conditions. And I don't think there's another halfback who could've set up Jordan for that try.
But in dry weather we need faster service from rucks.
Yeah he’s a very good wet weather halfback but I agree we need more speed from the ruck in the dry.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Cracks successfully papered over.
Some good performances, but not much there that will worry the Saffers. Good result, but I'm not convinced Argentina really showed up. Two monster games coming up over there - that'll show us where we are
I don’t think the Boks are supermen but they will scrum, kick, chase, tackle for 80 mins. They just grind you down. We can’t be giving them that much time in the 22 or throwing away possession with soft options on attack.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big and physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
A bullshit RC and two missed kicks you'd normally bank is hardly a compelling argument that we can't play for 80mins.
Yeah, I agree. But we really poor for 40 mins today. And should call it for what it was.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Ardie nails it in the post match comments. Need to bring that first half effort every week.
A speech I've heard time and again from about 2019
It’s like this generation of players can’t stick to a game plan for 80 mins. Instead we loosen up and play rugby with lots of kicking in attacking situations. If I was coach I would be pissed.
ABs used to drop off in the second half even in the Carter/McCaw days.
Game was over at halftime and we used the second half to give guys a run and try some things
And the reason why we haven’t won the last two world cups. We have to find a way to get better against a Bok team that is big and physical and will execute their game plan for 80 mins.
A bullshit RC and two missed kicks you'd normally bank is hardly a compelling argument that we can't play for 80mins.
Yeah, I agree. But we really poor for 40 mins today. And should call it for what it was.
I'm prepared to cut them some slack as the squad has to develop together. But you're right that there were some frustratingly dumb decisions made by individuals that put the team under pressure.
