All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@mariner4life yeah our 7s pretty much schooled them through every game, even when they put a hundy over Manawatu, Josh Bradnock was excellent.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
Since you asked... and to post some documented stuff.
Ethan has a massive motor.
Best Bronco times:
McCaw: 4.30
Blackadder 4.32 (4.34 in the article below but there's a podcast where he says 4.32)
Papalií 4.45That's pretty good for a guy who's probably slightly bigger than Richie - and will be playing 6.
Watch: Cam Roigard impresses after blitzing All Blacks' pre-season Bronco
Rising star Cam Roigard has drawn level with playmaker Beauden Barrett in the pre-season Bronco.
His best position is 7 (especially at this level). If they picked him and Paps and said go to it, it would’ve been very understandable.
But, he’s picked at 6?
Richie motor doesn’t really equal great AB six.
Btw, I’ll be pleased to be shown I’m wrong if goes great fun’s, but honestly if we want a Crusader 6, it should be either of the other two options.
I'm concerned players are not being given clear roles in this squad. Razor has talked about favouring players that can play more than one position. Against Fiji we had Blackadder starting at 7, and now against Argentina he is starting at 6, a very different position at test level. Why? Against Fiji we had ALB at 12, and he had a very strong game there. Against Argentina we have him starting at 13, again a very different position at test level. Why?
We've seen this strategy fail spectacularly time and again at the top level, and it has ruined players form and confidence. In fact I can't really think of a player that has truly succeeded in regularly playing different positions for the ABs.
I’m not too concerned about the variation whilst it’s early days with the new coaches.
We have seen this movie before. Take Rodders for example. The first test he started under Henry and co in 2004 was at blindside against Wales. Rodders was a pretty versatile player but I don’t think many would classify him as a 6. The following week he started at no8 against France. Fast forward to the Lions series and he started tests at both no8 and openside.
You can’t do that with every loose forward - remember the Holah at blindside test that was a failure - but there are players like Rodders, like Masoe, like Blackadder that can play that role. Sure they had preferred positions no doubt, but they are there to fill a role.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We entered this year super thin in a few positions because the last two years every game was a must win and the same old side rolled out.
We have to start playing some new guys, or we will enter the next RWC with some broken old men and lots of barely-played newbs.
Edit: and by "playing" I mean playing under red hot conditions, like in South Africa. Merely giving the next tier of players a spell or two in lighter games simply is not preparing them, or the team, properly.
Whose to say that the new guys aren't better? We'll never know if we never give them a chance.
You realise we have something like 45 tests before the next WC right?
Yeah, and I also know we won a RWC with our fourth-string 1st-5 who had played 24 tests by that point. We may not even get our reserve 1st-5 to that many tests at this rate by the next RWC, given that it won't be Beauden Barrett and even Mo'unga will be 33.
At some point we have to stop being conservative. It's not Razor's fault that Foster didn't want to try any new players, but it is his responsibility to deal with the problem.
You want our 4th choice 10 identified before we have our first choice cemented?
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We entered this year super thin in a few positions because the last two years every game was a must win and the same old side rolled out.
We have to start playing some new guys, or we will enter the next RWC with some broken old men and lots of barely-played newbs.
Edit: and by "playing" I mean playing under red hot conditions, like in South Africa. Merely giving the next tier of players a spell or two in lighter games simply is not preparing them, or the team, properly.
Whose to say that the new guys aren't better? We'll never know if we never give them a chance.
You realise we have something like 45 tests before the next WC right?
Yeah, and I also know we won a RWC with our fourth-string 1st-5 who had played 24 tests by that point. We may not even get our reserve 1st-5 to that many tests at this rate by the next RWC, given that it won't be Beauden Barrett and even Mo'unga will be 33.
At some point we have to stop being conservative. It's not Razor's fault that Foster didn't want to try any new players, but it is his responsibility to deal with the problem.
You want our 4th choice 10 identified before we have our first choice cemented?
Beauden Barrett better learn how to go white baiting
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I just can’t wait for the first loss of the new coaching regime. My god are we going to hear you whinging c**ts then.
I'm not like you, I hope the All Blacks win.
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To be honest dude, if you and others can see that on a rugby forum, I am pretty sure Razor and co are aware of the issue too.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
too many games in Welly. And this isn't the attractive one. And yet places like the Tron don't get one ... I dno't get it. Spread them around FFS
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
too many games in Welly. And this isn't the attractive one. And yet places like the Tron don't get one ... I dno't get it. Spread them around FFS
It’s not like the ABs play at home 30 times a year
Poor
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I agree, it’s not a good look.
But it probably shows the changing interest of NZ population. The ABs are not the religion they once were.
The stadium capacity is probably around 10% of the local population (within an hour of the stadium roughly - that’s off the top of my head, I could be wrong by a few % points) and Argentina don’t bring away fans like in the 6 nations.
But it is surprising that it is only at 70% capacity at this stage.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
But it probably shows the changing interest of NZ population. The ABs are not the religion they once were.
So ... don't play 2 tests in Wellington in a year?
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The reasons for a national stadium keep adding up.
Naming rights look good too.
And it will stop cities building stadiums they need once every few years.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
too many games in Welly. And this isn't the attractive one. And yet places like the Tron don't get one ... I dno't get it. Spread them around FFS
It’s not like the ABs play at home 30 times a year
Poor
Maybe so. Still should spread the games around
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
too many games in Welly. And this isn't the attractive one. And yet places like the Tron don't get one ... I dno't get it. Spread them around FFS
It’s not like the ABs play at home 30 times a year
Poor
It is argentina though. They aren't usually a great watch compared to other sides.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
not sold out yet? dont know if this has changed much since yesterday
Quite frankly, that’s shithouse and oh so provincial
too many games in Welly. And this isn't the attractive one. And yet places like the Tron don't get one ... I dno't get it. Spread them around FFS
I think one of problems is Olympic Games, I think they really should of moved it to afternoon game like Aus have with their test against Boks.
Especially when you think Sky who is broadcasting the test is also doing Olympics. You certainly wouldn't get anyone probably but rusted on rugby people. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The reasons for a national stadium keep adding up.
Naming rights look good too.
And it will stop cities building stadiums they need once every few years.
Built slightly north of wellington so it's easy access for the whole country.
With great training facilities nearby and even an outdoor activity arena with breweries.
Trentham here we come!
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The reasons for a national stadium keep adding up.
Naming rights look good too.
And it will stop cities building stadiums they need once every few years.
Built slightly north of wellington so it's easy access for the whole country.
With great training facilities nearby and even an outdoor activity arena with breweries.
Trentham here we come!
Yep so long as you don't want to attract out of town fans as f*** all accomadation around Trentham.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The reasons for a national stadium keep adding up.
Naming rights look good too.
And it will stop cities building stadiums they need once every few years.
Built slightly north of wellington so it's easy access for the whole country.
With great training facilities nearby and even an outdoor activity arena with breweries.
Trentham here we come!
Yep so long as you don't want to attract out of town fans as f*** all accomadation around Trentham.
Not to mention jam packed with feral Hutt Munters.
Jerry Collins stadium is a much better bet.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
The reasons for a national stadium keep adding up.
Naming rights look good too.
And it will stop cities building stadiums they need once every few years.
Built slightly north of wellington so it's easy access for the whole country.
With great training facilities nearby and even an outdoor activity arena with breweries.
Trentham here we come!
Yep so long as you don't want to attract out of town fans as f*** all accomadation around Trentham.
Not to mention jam packed with feral Hutt Munters.
Jerry Collins stadium is a much better bet.
Except it's in Porirua. And unless things have changed a lot since I left, Porirua is a shithole
