All Blacks vs Fiji
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
I think that is why they like him - a terrific scrummager. No reason his ball skills can't improve either. I reckon EDG's ball skills have improved loads since he made his test debut.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
I think that is why they like him - a terrific scrummager. No reason his ball skills can't improve either. I reckon EDG's ball skills have improved loads since he made his test debut.
Actually running with the ball would be cool too
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
I think that is why they like him - a terrific scrummager. No reason his ball skills can't improve either. I reckon EDG's ball skills have improved loads since he made his test debut.
Actually running with the ball would be cool too
baby steps, giant baby steps..
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
And some of our props were shown up around the field by their replacements, boy we are lucky to have these 4, now to find more locks..
I’m assuming Newell is a terrific scrummager because he offers absolutely nothing else, even by the less than impressive standards of recent AB props.
I think that is why they like him - a terrific scrummager. No reason his ball skills can't improve either. I reckon EDG's ball skills have improved loads since he made his test debut.
Actually running with the ball would be cool too
Meh. A prop being able to run with the ball won't win you games - but a prop who can dominate the scrum will go a long way towards helping that. I think this is particularly true of a reserve prop (which is all Newell has ever been for the ABs)
The job of a sub is always simplified, and I think of a reserve prop, the main concern is what he can do in the scrum.
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Its a pity Tosi wasn't better in the scum. He was VG during super rugby but struiggled in his first test. Because he offers everything that Newell lacks around the field. And more than most TH props
I would work on Tosi's scrumaging. As Newell is unlikely to offer much else even with work. Great in the scrum but limited elsewhere
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@nzzp I think you could go back further than the past few years...we used to have a good scrum with the best ball running and skillful props 10+ years back.
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My view of who put their hand up to start
Aumua. Offers a lot more than Taylor. He just needs to be consistent with his lineout throwing game after game,
Proctor. My MOTM. I thought he was outstanding. And a real centre. I would start Proctor with Jordie in the midfield and move Reiko back to the wing.
Clarke. Back to his best. Almost a must start if fit
Ratima. Unlike many I also thought Hotham has a good game too. But would start Ratima with either Perenara or maybe Hotham as the backup
BB. To start until Jordan returns. My preference would be Love statting until Jordan returns but ...Not good enough or a maybe
Tosi in the scrum. Shame as otherwise he was superb
Williams. As a replacement maybe
Siti Looked the goods for sure
Darry. Didn't look out of place
ALB. Another option at 2nd 5 but would definitely keep Barrett here -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp I think you could go back further than the past few years...we used to have a good scrum with the best ball running and skillful props 10+ years back.
Steve McDowell
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The outside break by Caleb was awesome and a forgotten skill by many. Deserved a try.
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Its a pity Tosi wasn't better in the scum. He was VG during super rugby but struiggled in his first test. Because he offers everything that Newell lacks around the field. And more than most TH props
I would work on Tosi's scrumaging. As Newell is unlikely to offer much else even with work. Great in the scrum but limited elsewhere
Work on his scrummaging and you are onto a winner. Hopefully he keeps improving... I'd argue that history shows that it easier to work on a prop's all-round game than scrummaging, so writing Newell off feels pretty harsh.
There have been very few guys go from being poor scrummagers to good scrummagers... Lomax is one in recent times, but feels rare.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Meh. A prop being able to run with the ball won't win you games
A tight 5 who can hold and pass is critical. Part of that is running. We have gone backwards in that regard in the last few years.
The All Blacks tried to pick a mobile front row in 2019 and it backfired fairly spectacularly. Set piece is crucial, particularly with the way scrums are referred in the modern game.
I agree that the baseline should be being able to catch the ball, so Newell definitely needs to work on that, but I also think it is less of a concern when he clearly isn't viewed as a starter. He has started just 1/16 tests, and when Lomax was injured they went with Laulala and left him on the bench.
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Can either Reiko or Clarke play 14, or can both only play 11?
With Clarke and Reiko you've got two big, very quick wingers.
With Proctor at 13, you've you got his provincial partnership with Jordie and a center who really looks to feed his wingers. Tempting, but probably won't happen. -
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
My view of who put their hand up to start
Aumua. Offers a lot more than Taylor. He just needs to be consistent with his lineout throwing game after game,
Proctor. My MOTM. I thought he was outstanding. And a real centre. I would start Proctor with Jordie in the midfield and move Reiko back to the wing.
Clarke. Back to his best. Almost a must start if fit
Ratima. Unlike many I also thought Hotham has a good game too. But would start Ratima with either Perenara or maybe Hotham as the backup
BB. To start until Jordan returns. My preference would be Love statting until Jordan returns but ...Not good enough or a maybe
Tosi in the scrum. Shame as otherwise he was superb
Williams. As a replacement maybe
Siti Looked the goods for sure
Darry. Didn't look out of place
ALB. Another option at 2nd 5 but would definitely keep Barrett hereAumua has been consistent with his line out throwing. He’s been good for most of this year, a real improvement compared to 2023.
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My team for the first Argie game in Welly would be:
- De Groot
- Aumua
- Lomax
- S Barrett
- Tuipulotu
- Jacobsen
- Papali’i
- Savea
- Ratima (if fit)
- McKenzie
- Clarke
- J Barrett
- Proctor
- Ioane
- Jordan (if fit) or B Barrett (not sold at all on Perofeta)
- Taylor
- Williams
- Newell
- Darry
- Blackadder
- Perenara (if fit)
- ALB
- Barrett or Reece
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@Canes4life no love for Ratima?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life no love for Ratima?
He had a very good game. Just a shame we lost him early
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life no love for Ratima?
I’d start him but thought he was badly concussed. How far away is the next game?
