Fix the Wallabies

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Not that it matters: the talent pool is so small that the necessary skills aren't there anyway

taniwharugby

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We have extended training camps. They'll select ~45 players and then cull it to the squad
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so unlike the tour when Wales were here, Damien McKenzie was with the ABs the whole time (he was wasnt he?) even though he didnt play, probably no intention of playing, but you'd have to say this is gonna do the kid the world of good!

Chris B.

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By lifting their game, the ABs have put down a great marker for everyone to aspire to. The problem is, the NH have never reached those heights, and very rarely has anyone else in the SH done that either. 
 
You can't ask the ABs to go into cruise mode, but at the same time how does anyone else improve?
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It's perhaps a bit like Steve Waugh's cricket team.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="610102" data-time="1472363295">It's perhaps a bit like Steve Waugh's cricket team.</blockquote>
 
Except when a few of them retired, we started to decline. 
You lost a bunch of players and nothing has changed.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="610101" data-time="1472363204">so unlike the tour when Wales were here, Damien McKenzie was with the ABs the whole time (he was wasnt he?) even though he didnt play, probably no intention of playing, but you'd have to say this is gonna do the kid the world of good!</blockquote>
No idea whether that was done, or even if that would work. Or if we can afford it.

Rancid Schnitzel

Totally agree Nick. It's very easy to show concern for your arch enemy when he's lying in a ditch with a broken back and a corner post up his arse. 
As someone who left Aus in early 2001 seeing union riding high and league still reeling from super league, I was astonished to return to see that league is not only stronger than ever but that soccer is now ahead of union. There was a golden opportunity there. I recall the great Arthur Beetson commenting in the late 90s how heaps of kids were switching to union. Wtf happened? Personally I reckon one of the biggest farkups was expanding the number of super teams too quickly. All it did was dilute the talent and weaken the base. The NRC is a step forward but it should have happened years ago instead of that bullshit idea of a comp with the PIs that the IRC would pay for or getting Aus teams in the NPC. Union is supposed to be the game run by the smart, educated elite. You could have farking fooled me. 
Just with respect to Folau at centre. I don't think he has the distribution skills. When he passes he seems to wind up and fire the ball like a cannon no matter where his support is standing. Leave him at fullback.

taniwharugby

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No idea whether that was done, or even if that would work. Or if we can afford it.
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not saying it would, I know what works here wont necessarily work there, but in these instances it would appear a good move, and yeah I suppose cost comes into it, and the current run of results will be impacting the bottom line too.

NTA

Bottom line already hurting from player salaries! 
Although I just heard the players union will be asking for our Women's 7s to get paid the same as the men. Good move. Women's might be the only silver lining moving forward, and bring Olympic will help get it into schools

Nepia

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Totally agree Nick. It's very easy to show concern for your arch enemy when he's lying in a ditch with a broken back and a corner post up his arse. 
As someone who left Aus in early 2001 seeing union riding high and league still reeling from super league, I was astonished to return to see that league is not only stronger than ever but that soccer is now ahead of union. There was a golden opportunity there. I recall the great Arthur Beetson commenting in the late 90s how heaps of kids were switching to union. Wtf happened? Personally I reckon one of the biggest farkups was expanding the number of super teams too quickly. All it did was dilute the talent and weaken the base. The NRC is a step forward but it should have happened years ago instead of that bullshit idea of a comp with the PIs that the IRC would pay for or getting Aus teams in the NPC. Union is supposed to be the game run by the smart, educated elite. You could have farking fooled me. 
Just with respect to Folau at centre. I don't think he has the distribution skills. When he passes he seems to wind up and fire the ball like a cannon no matter where his support is standing. Leave him at fullback.
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First Haitch and now repeated use of union .... :think:.
 
You can always tell a NZer who has lived in Oz for a long time as they call rugby, union. 
 
On the NRC, I watched some of the game before the test, was some decent rugby played. Although because of the stupid NRC starting I had to watch the Magpies on a cabbage pop up non HD channel. Although, seeing that massacre in HD might have broken me.

mariner4life

You spelled "fuck" wrong. Bloody autocorrect aye?

Rancid Schnitzel

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First Haitch and now repeated use of union .... :think:. 
You can always tell a NZer who has lived in Oz for a long time as they call rugby, union. 
On the NRC, I watched some of the game before the test, was some decent rugby played. Although because of the stupid NRC starting I had to watch the Magpies on a cabbage pop up non HD channel. Although, seeing that massacre in HD might have broken me.</blockquote>
 
Ah screw you. I was just trying to put it in simple terms for Nick to understand. He's from NSW you know. 
Yep, I watched some of the NRC before the main game. Some really positive rugby even if the execution wasn't always that flash. It's a good little comp and, broken record etc etc, should have been introduced years ago.

NTA

It WAS introduced years ago in one form, that admittedly wasn't well done. The Sydney clubs (and its own cost overruns) scuttled it.
 
Now its back, despite the best efforts of the Sydney club competition, and will continue to fight like a little brother for prominence. 
 
 
 
 
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Ah screw you. I was just trying to put it in simple terms for Nick to understand. He's from NSW you know.
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sigh like mariner, the issue is that living among Queenslanders has given you a false sense of superiority. It comes down to the chromosomes or lack thereof.
 
For the record: Queenslanders aren't Australians.

Zader

Maybe they could try and poach more players while they develop a long term strategy to broaden their base and grow skills across the franchises?
 
They're not exactly endearing themselves to anyone with the way they conduct themselves on and off the pitch.
 
The Boks & Pumas are not particularly strong and it will be really interesting to see how they go against them.
 
They need a proper 8 and a new captain, they need to build their back play around Folau ... imagine if he played for the ABs?? They need to find a way to increase his involvement 200%.

ACT Crusader

Worst thread ever....

mariner4life

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It WAS introduced years ago in one form, that admittedly wasn't well done. The Sydney clubs (and its own cost overruns) scuttled it. 
Now its back, despite the best efforts of the Sydney club competition, and will continue to fight like a little brother for prominence. 
sigh like mariner, the issue is that living among Queenslanders has given you a false sense of superiority. It comes down to the chromosomes or lack thereof. 
For the record: Queenslanders aren't Australians.</blockquote>
 
Pfft, false

NTA

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Pfft, false
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And yet, you're a Queenslander but NOT Australian.
 
So my theory holds water.
 
 
 
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Maybe they could try and poach more players while they develop a long term strategy to broaden their base and grow skills across the franchises?
 
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1) We already tried poaching players from league. It sort of worked, but didn't/
 
2) Long-term strategies aren't an option in a pit full of vipers carrying knives. Yes I know vipers don't have hands, but these ones are quite good at backstabbing.

pukunui

Having been at Highschool In Aust' during the late 90's - early 2000's when the Wallabies were last at the top and having to endure everything that went along withthat i don't care if they never win thr Bledisloe cup again. 
I think the recent discussions on how to fix them is a mix of things. A bit like the feeling a bully might get when they have left a nerd bloodied and broken on the ground, there isn't much point hurling more abuse, you just look like a dick then. But also a healthy dose of 'you guys are so shit and have no idea what you are doing, here are some tips that might make you less shit but we will still beat you.' I don't have an older brother but i would imagine there is plenty of patronising stuff like that while playing rugby/cricket in the backyard growing up. 
Having said that, here is my friendly advice. Which is Booboo mostly covered.

no more overseas players.
no more poopah
Drop moore
send a directive to the super teams to stop using a game plan that revolves around the rolling maul or scrumming for penalties.
work out a way to get the nrc on free to air tv. On one of the commercial channels, every game. Showing 1 game a week on foxtel isnt going to grow the game.
no more quade cooper
Give some young guys a go, they might actually use their lessons of defeat to improve in the future. The has beens in france aren't going to improve or learn. 
Oh and one more. Ditch Phil Kearns, his constant moaning can't be good for the growth of the game.

Rancid Schnitzel

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It WAS introduced years ago in one form, that admittedly wasn't well done. The Sydney clubs (and its own cost overruns) scuttled it. 
Now its back, despite the best efforts of the Sydney club competition, and will continue to fight like a little brother for prominence. 
sigh like mariner, the issue is that living among Queenslanders has given you a false sense of superiority. It comes down to the chromosomes or lack thereof. 
For the record: Queenslanders aren't Australians.</blockquote>
 
It was basically designed to fail wasn't it? Was halfarsed at any rate. 
Yes Nick, NSW is much better. That's why so many of you pricks are moving up here. Why would they do that Nick?

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It wasn't designed to succeed.
 
 
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Yes Nick, NSW is much better. That's why so many of you pricks are moving up here. Why would they do that Nick?
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Because its cheap as fuck. And there are idiots who will sell their houses for not much before NSW people knock that shit down and turn them into McMansions.

Rancid Schnitzel

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It wasn't designed to succeed. 
Because its cheap as fuck. And there are idiots who will sell their houses for not much before NSW people knock that shit down and turn them into McMansions.</blockquote>
 
Well I guess it is cheap when you need 4 million bucks for half a shed and a hole for a shitter 50km outside of Sydney. What an awesome place.

The Silver Fern

Fix the Wallabies