Fix the Wallabies
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I was thinking that ... the last thing you want is sympathy :)<br><br>
I suppose it's a theoretical exercise in "what would you do?"<br><br>
And whilst I'm happy to keep on winning I do want to see rugby on this side of the Ta$man strong.<br><br>
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This is a weird thread. Honestly - and maybe I'm still just bitter after watching the train wreck over the last 5 tests - but since when did this forum give a flying fuck about the Wallabies as anything but fodder?<br><br>
I do appreciate the sentiment, don't get me wrong, but it sounds a bit like "Here's a pat on the head and some hints to help you lose a bit more acceptably"<br><br><br><br><br>
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<p>This is a weird thread. Honestly - and maybe I'm still just bitter after watching the train wreck over the last 5 tests - but since when did this forum give a flying fuck about the Wallabies as anything but fodder?</p>
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<p>I do appreciate the sentiment, don't get me wrong, but it sounds a bit like "Here's a pat on the head and some hints to help you lose a bit more acceptably"</p>
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<p>By 2028 none of these guys will be playing.</p>
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<p>we dont care about the Wallabies, but a shitty Wallaby side aint good for world rugby...is that better, now the Kiwi anti-Wallaby slant remains </p> -
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<p>if it's any help to you Nick I'm quite content for the wallabies to carry on getting pumped .</p>
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<p>Your honesty is appreciated.</p>
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<p>we dont care about the Wallabies, but a shitty Wallaby side aint good for world rugby...is that better, </p>
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<p>World Rugby wouldn't actually change that much if Australia slipped below Argentina permanently. Remember their focus is on selling out RWC stadia and seeing a healthy 6N fill grounds every year. The 6N could give less fucks if Australia degraded to easybeat status, because it would give them some bragging rights.</p>
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<p>Gatland must need a fucking chapstick from licking his lips so hard at our upcoming game in November. </p>
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<p>So now Evil NTA has spewed his bile, let's go deeper:</p>
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<p>I don't understand why Mitchell bothered to fly back if he's not being selected. Injured, I've heard, or not fit. Either way - waste of money (hopefully his).</p>
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<p>In any case, I'm all for dropping the Giteau Rule. It was a good stopgap for RWC2015, but that is where it should have ended.</p>
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<p>Putting Folau at centre isn't going to stop us lacking any kind of pace on the wing. It might help the core elements in close by adding a big of threat, but you still need the forwards to get on the front foot in order to create the space.</p>
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<p>We don't have a number 8 at the moment. Every one playing in state colours is either too small, not skilful enough, not abrasive, or otherwise injured.</p>
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<p>Holloway was maybe a prospect but Cheika has a history of not picking him at the Tahs in favour of Palu, and Holloway is out for another month after surgery anyway. If he doesn't make the EOYT, then you can forget about seeing him in Wallaby gold unless every other back rower in Australia is injured. And even then....</p>
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<p>Here's the thing: I don't WANT the Wallabies fixed. Shocking to say, but the problem is if the Wallabies deliver wins against the Boks and Argentina (neither of which is a sure bet) it'll paper over the cracks yet again.</p>
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<p>I want the fucking ARU to hurt. I don't want them to fire Cheika because there is no-one else at the moment.</p>
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<p>I want everyone involved to stop comparing dicks and start working together on the solution, because it can't be done at top level only. That is an outcome of good processes that feed into it. </p>
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<p>By lifting their game, the ABs have put down a great marker for everyone to aspire to. The problem is, the NH have never reached those heights, and very rarely has anyone else in the SH done that either. </p>
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<p>You can't ask the ABs to go into cruise mode, but at the same time how does anyone else improve?</p>
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<p>Look at where the Wallabies are, how our environment operates with its NRL + AFL challenges, and wonder what will change when we're bringing $250M deals to the table as part of a larger piece, and the other two sports are talking billions in the domestic market alone. Pay TV penetration isn't because of Super Rugby: its because of the other two. The games that DO appear on FTA are usually shit, and often involve the Ponies (if there's a difference).</p>
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<p>Look where the Boks are heading with their unrestricted selection policies. That is a much bigger discussion but our politics are at least based on school ties and not race. That's a fucking mess!</p>
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<p>The Southern Hemisphere in general is about the same in strength overall, but it is now concentrated more in NZ and less in Australia. Probably gaining some ground in Argentina, while South Africa declines, too.</p>
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<p>Speaking of the Boks: fucking hell we're in for a bashing after they lost to the Argies. Then the Pumas turn up a week later in Perth. Fuck...</p> -
<p>NTA, my team going forward assuming everyone is fit and available.</p>
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<p>15 Beale</p>
<p>14 Falou</p>
<p>11 Mitchell</p>
<p>12 Reece Hodge</p>
<p>13 Magnay (time to test out the young guys)</p>
<p>10 Foley</p>
<p>9 Genia</p>
<p>8 Jed Holloway</p>
<p>7 Pocock/Mcmahon</p>
<p>6 Fardy</p>
<p>5 Coleman</p>
<p>4 Douglas</p>
<p>3 Kepu</p>
<p>2 <span>Ready</span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">There are some good prospects in there, no doubt. But throwing in rookies and hoping for pros isn't going to work. Particularly as Folau isn't a winger, and waiting for a few in your list to be fit and available is a long time.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I wouldn't be surprised if the rumours about Folau going to the Broncos are accurate, particularly the way rugby is going here. </p> -
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<p>World Rugby wouldn't actually change that much if Australia slipped below Argentina permanently. Remember their focus is on selling out RWC stadia and seeing a healthy 6N fill grounds every year. The 6N could give less fucks if Australia degraded to easybeat status, because it would give them some bragging rights.</p>
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<p>Dunno, SH rugby needs Aussie strong (SH rugby is World rugby ;)), I prefer Aussie strgon, as much fun as it is beating the Wallabies, ideally we have close matches where the result isnt known before kick off...isnt this how the Bledisloe ended up being a non-entity until Aus won it after many years of not having it?</p> -
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">There are some good prospects in there, no doubt. But throwing in rookies and hoping for pros isn't going to work. Particularly as Folau isn't a winger, and waiting for a few in your list to be fit and available is a long time.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I wouldn't be surprised if the rumours about Folau going to the Broncos are accurate, particularly the way rugby is going here. </p>
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<p>do the Aussies do what the ABs do in regard to the young prospects and just call them into camp to immerse them in the culture and environment with little or no intention of playing them, just to see how they respond?</p> -
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<p>We have extended training camps. They'll select ~45 players and then cull it to the squad</p>
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<p>so unlike the tour when Wales were here, Damien McKenzie was with the ABs the whole time (he was wasnt he?) even though he didnt play, probably no intention of playing, but you'd have to say this is gonna do the kid the world of good! </p> -
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<p>By lifting their game, the ABs have put down a great marker for everyone to aspire to. The problem is, the NH have never reached those heights, and very rarely has anyone else in the SH done that either. </p>
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<p>You can't ask the ABs to go into cruise mode, but at the same time how does anyone else improve?</p>
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<p>It's perhaps a bit like Steve Waugh's cricket team.</p> -
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Except when a few of them retired, we started to decline. <br><br>
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No idea whether that was done, or even if that would work. Or if we can afford it. -
Totally agree Nick. It's very easy to show concern for your arch enemy when he's lying in a ditch with a broken back and a corner post up his arse.<br><br>
As someone who left Aus in early 2001 seeing union riding high and league still reeling from super league, I was astonished to return to see that league is not only stronger than ever but that soccer is now ahead of union. There was a golden opportunity there. I recall the great Arthur Beetson commenting in the late 90s how heaps of kids were switching to union. Wtf happened? Personally I reckon one of the biggest farkups was expanding the number of super teams too quickly. All it did was dilute the talent and weaken the base. The NRC is a step forward but it should have happened years ago instead of that bullshit idea of a comp with the PIs that the IRC would pay for or getting Aus teams in the NPC. Union is supposed to be the game run by the smart, educated elite. You could have farking fooled me.<br><br>
Just with respect to Folau at centre. I don't think he has the distribution skills. When he passes he seems to wind up and fire the ball like a cannon no matter where his support is standing. Leave him at fullback. -
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<p>No idea whether that was done, or even if that would work. Or if we can afford it.</p>
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<p>not saying it would, I know what works here wont necessarily work there, but in these instances it would <strong>appear</strong> a good move, and yeah I suppose cost comes into it, and the current run of results will be impacting the bottom line too.</p> -
Bottom line already hurting from player salaries!<br><br>
Although I just heard the players union will be asking for our Women's 7s to get paid the same as the men. Good move. Women's might be the only silver lining moving forward, and bring Olympic will help get it into schools -
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<p>Totally agree Nick. It's very easy to show concern for your arch enemy when he's lying in a ditch with a broken back and a corner post up his arse.<br><br>
As someone who left Aus in early 2001 seeing <strong>union </strong>riding high and league still reeling from super league, I was astonished to return to see that league is not only stronger than ever but that soccer is now ahead of union. There was a golden opportunity there. I recall the great Arthur Beetson commenting in the late 90s how heaps of kids were switching to union. Wtf happened? Personally I reckon one of the biggest farkups was expanding the number of super teams too quickly. All it did was dilute the talent and weaken the base. The NRC is a step forward but it should have happened years ago instead of that bullshit idea of a comp with the PIs that the IRC would pay for or getting Aus teams in the NPC. <strong>Union</strong> is supposed to be the game run by the smart, educated elite. You could have farking fooled me.<br><br>
Just with respect to Folau at centre. I don't think he has the distribution skills. When he passes he seems to wind up and fire the ball like a cannon no matter where his support is standing. Leave him at fullback.</p>
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<p>First Haitch and now repeated use of union .... :think:.</p>
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<p>You can always tell a NZer who has lived in Oz for a long time as they call rugby, union. </p>
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<p>On the NRC, I watched some of the game before the test, was some decent rugby played. Although because of the stupid NRC starting I had to watch the Magpies on a cabbage pop up non HD channel. Although, seeing that massacre in HD might have broken me.</p> -
You spelled "fuck" wrong. Bloody autocorrect aye?
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First Haitch and now repeated use of union .... :think:.<br><br>
You can always tell a NZer who has lived in Oz for a long time as they call rugby, union. <br><br>
On the NRC, I watched some of the game before the test, was some decent rugby played. Although because of the stupid NRC starting I had to watch the Magpies on a cabbage pop up non HD channel. Although, seeing that massacre in HD might have broken me.</p></blockquote>
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Ah screw you. I was just trying to put it in simple terms for Nick to understand. He's from NSW you know.<br><br>
Yep, I watched some of the NRC before the main game. Some really positive rugby even if the execution wasn't always that flash. It's a good little comp and, broken record etc etc, should have been introduced years ago.