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    @Bones he put in some good kicks, made a break or two. Did some of his not good stuff as well. Probably would have looked average or poor starting at 10.

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    @kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:

    People are talking nonsense here if they think there's no difference to the Foster era from tonights game.

    Also the blatant disregard of the quality of the English team, this is a really good England team who beat Ireland 2 games ago and were about to beat France in France if not for a penalty right on full time.

    To beat them first up with a brand new coaching setup and all the noise that would have come with it is extremely impressive.

    I'm also amazed at some people here genuinely asking for Plummer over Dmac.

    Well, the game-plan seemed different. They went backward in phase play before they kicked it back to the opposition. Fair enough, Robertson isn't going to change things overnight and needs time and i'm def. not bagging him, but people expected some difference.

    I don't think opposition team quality comes into it when discussing AB performance and doesn't give a coach a free pass. Ireland were the no.1 team in the world in 2022 - not just "a really good team" - but that didn't stop people (rightly) criticising Foster. I thought it no more impressive than any other new coach. And, don't forget, the argument was that a brand new coaching set-up was the dogs bollocks

    Finally, Plummer is good under pressure - even with Christie's slowness - and DMac looked out of shape in the second half, so they make a valid point.

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    Will comment before I read the thread.
    Pretty standard first test for the ABs. Happy they won and expect a "response" for the second game.
    Pat T was very good as was Perofeta. Under a different ref our scrum dominance would have been more significant.
    Saw the same old shite I complained about with Foster's teams so not happy. Aimless kicking then a "pop" kick from BB put us under pressure in the last few minutes. WTF!

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    replied to Old Samurai Jack on last edited by Tim
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    @Old-Samurai-Jack it seemed like a lot of stuff we complain about, team going wide, before forcing oppostion back.

    Scrum was good, and there were no cards.

    Nick Berry is ref next week.

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    @Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Also, they’ve only had a couple of weeks together under the new coaching regime. Jesus, give them some time before passing final judgement.

    Take your point but no-one is passing final judgement.

    I was expected little change, but he doesn't seem to have added anything in that two weeks and that's what people are commenting on.

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    @kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @Gunner Please link ONE game under Foster against a northern rush defense that we found that much space out wide.

    England in 2022?
    Italy in RWC2023?

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    @Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @mariner4life Our line speed was shit. Our pattern was shit. How do you put pressure on the ruck with that kind of presence?

    Apart from the set-pieces and defence, I've been underwhelmed by our forwards performance - particularly at the ruck - for the last few years. Really inconsistent and flaky.

    We seem to have tried every 6-7 combination available. Wonder if we're trying to fit everything around Ardie instead of a combination greater than the sum of its parts.

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    @Victor-Meldrew I am thinking about 2010 when Read established himself as a genuine number 8, after the Rodney So'oialo period. A period in which we didn't win a world cup.

    Now who could fill that role ...

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    @Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @Victor-Meldrew I am thinking about 2010 when Read established himself as a genuine number 8, after the Rodney So'oialo period. A period in which we didn't win a world cup.

    Now who could fill that role ...

    Robertson missed a trick there. Bringing Sotutu into the environment, if not in the squad, to do the work-on's would have been a sensible thing to do. He did it for very fringe player like Havili

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Rieko's handling

    Always a problem

    Wish Rieko could have a game at wing outside a centre who plays just like him. Ever heard of 'setting up your outsides'?

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    @Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Telea’s non-chase of the high ball has been ratshit

    Still don't think he's 100%.

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    @Tim said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @Kirwan Carried better than the others too.

    Savea is doing fuck all on defence and at the ruck.

    Surely he's strong BOTH sides of the ball. perhaps get some pointers from Sevu?

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    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:

    He was saying use it and got annoyed so penalised us

    EDG had been standing up under Stuart's armpit, not strictly legally throughout H1. FCS don't do that when ref on your side!!!!

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    It seemed we were clearly trying something new on attack to offset rush defense and get around it. As I stated, it's the most space I've seen us create against it since the north first started employing it in mass after the Lions tour here.

    We seemed to shelf it at halftime and go for a more pragmatic and simpler approach, perhaps just desperate to get the win first up and adapt to what turned into a grindfest, but it felt like we were very close to the gates completely opening up today if we executed better during that first half and built momentum.

    They may be more comfortable using it for longer and tighter games as they get more time together.

    But this is very reminiscent of the early days of Graham Henry and the flat backline approach which was very controversial at the time and not successful initially but reaped rewards at the end of Henrys first year and long after that.

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    @MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England I:

    De Groot left his invisibility cloak in the sheds

    Just that ref came over to his side.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @Winger said in All Blacks vs England I:

    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Telea has been very poor without the ball too

    Telea was right in the grove a while back. It seems to have deserted him now

    Agreed. Narawa would be better

    Not at 11.

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    @Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Taylor’s throwing has been shite.

    Seemed to go right off after halftime.

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    @kpkanz said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Please link ONE game under Foster against a northern rush defense that we found that much space out wide.

    This is hilarious. We scored two tries, and sixteen points. It was as far from creating space out wide as it could get.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Much better 2nd half by scooter

    Hasn't been playing much rugby.

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks vs England I:

    Yeah Taylor was average, aumua much better

    Taylor was absolutely first class in the first half scrums. But second half lineout blips destroyed our momentum.

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