All Blacks vs England I
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We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:
We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
Totally agree
An AB vs AB IX would be fun to watch and serve as a warmup.
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@Darren said in All Blacks vs England I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs England I:
We (NZ) do seem to have an aversion to warm up games don't we? The Black Caps think they are not needed, despite their performances, and I've noticed the days of the ABs playing the Island nations to start the season seem to be over as well. Why would we do that to ourselves?
Totally agree
An AB vs AB IX would be fun to watch and serve as a warmup.
They might be worried about injuries? But I'd also like to see one...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.
Quite a few according to Leon.
Seems quite challenging to transition to a new defensive system. You only need a bit of confusion in what someone is supposed to be doing and the whole thing falls apart.
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I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
yeah, less of the do something risky if we dont score after 3-4 phase...have some faith we can keep the ball for long periods
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Perhaps three playmakers to really confuse the opposition. Also a flat backline so no one knows who is getting the ball.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
Show some actual depth of clearance
DMac has more distance in his kicks than Mo'unga and BB. They could use JB more for their exits.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
Show some actual depth of clearance
DMac has more distance in his kicks than Mo'unga and BB. They could use JB more for their exits.
yeah, i thought when JB first came on the scene having a big boot was one of his selling points but dont think we see it as much as i would have liked/thought we would
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
yeah, less of the do something risky if we dont score after 3-4 phase...have some faith we can keep the ball for long periods
Kick deeper, get away from our end and play down there
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
Show some actual depth of clearance
DMac has more distance in his kicks than Mo'unga and BB. They could use JB more for their exits.
Not quite a #booboo but same sentiment
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
yeah, less of the do something risky if we dont score after 3-4 phase...have some faith we can keep the ball for long periods
Kick deeper, get away from our end and play down there
madness! more bombs and crossfield kick passes inside our own 22 i say!
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
yeah, less of the do something risky if we dont score after 3-4 phase...have some faith we can keep the ball for long periods
Kick deeper, get away from our end and play down there
madness! more bombs and crossfield kick passes inside our own 22 i say!
More miracle plays on attack for me, a maximum of 4 phases and if we haven't scored it's miracle play time, regardless of where we are on the field.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs England I:
I'd just like us to show patience with the ball in hand getting rid of all the cute 25/75 passes and 20/80 chip kicks. Show some actual depth of clearance on our exits and improved disclipline on defence.
Though with BB being an intergal part of the team I'm not sure if point 1 or 2 can happen
yeah, less of the do something risky if we dont score after 3-4 phase...have some faith we can keep the ball for long periods
Kick deeper, get away from our end and play down there
Back to traditional values (a bit like the Blues this season....)
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That translates to less bs and risk, and hold onto the ball.
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@Dodge said in All Blacks vs England I:
have basically spent the last 5 years tearing my hair out watching england, no obvious future talent, no obvious tactics, no obvious commitment to the grunt, let alone any ambition to put people through gaps.
Bloody Borthwick has given me a sniff of optimism in the last 3 games, we have some genuine prospective talent around, Martin and Itoje in the second row, our back row looks class with Earl in form, our halfback is starting to look like he can play rugby, we have a centre combination, our wingers are quick, our full back has changed from a lumbering chap who's good under the high ball to a guy who two years ago i wouldn't have picked for a local club side but has put on some weight and has improved out of sight.
Playing in NZ will be a fascinating test for them, i hope they enjoy it, i hope they turn up. I have no real knowledge of the new ABs in the squad and don't know how much of a reset this really is, but playing in NZ is always bloody hard.
As they say, its the hope that kills you
England should be $1.01 favs
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The have got some decent players even if they are short of world class through the side.
Borthwick was a hard honest toiler when he captained England and he seems to be putting a similar work ethic into this England team.
The pack looks to be good although their propping stocks aren’t that strong at the moment, relying on Marler and 37 year old Dan Cole.
Locks and backrow are good. Ben Earl is a player I really like except for his over the top celebrations. Is Itoje not the force he once was?
They are well drilled and improving. They will be a very tough team to beat for an All black side just coming together for the first time under Razor.
Borthwick was lineout coach for Eddie Jones so they may look to attack us here as we don’t have a tall lineout for this series.
Having said that, I still expect us to beat them.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
Papali'iBlackadder- Savea (VC)
ChristieRatima- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett (VC)
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams/Tu'ungafasi
- Newell
- Vaa'i
BlackadderPapaliiRatimaPerenara- Perofeta (yuck)
- ALB
I think we can all get to 90%+ on the 23.
Locks is a real worry. Razor in SENZ interview suggested that the TWM until very late on assumed Patty T was crocked. Which suggests Darry woul have been next up. But there must be doubts, and Scooter's bulging disc must also be a real concern. So Vaa'i, the only one at 100% will start. Scooter most natural to be LH lock, but if back plays up can only hope that Patty's knee is good enough!!!!!
Expect Paps to start. Slight chance Proctor will get a run, ribs permitting.
Bench more interesting. Ofa probably form LH, so would expect him, ribs also permitting. Blackadder seems to cover all three loose forward positions, and to come on at 60.
Perofeta, DMac and Beaudy are all going to be in 23. Hard to go past ALB for cover, although it does mean that if a wing goes down it would be logical for Rieko to shift out. That's where someone like Jordan or Stevenson is so handy!
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
Papali'iBlackadder- Savea (VC)
ChristieRatima- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett (VC)
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams/Tu'ungafasi
- Newell
- Vaa'i
BlackadderPapaliiRatimaPerenara- Perofeta (yuck)
- ALB
I think we can all get to 90%+ on the 23.
Locks is a real worry. Razor in SENZ interview suggested that the TWM until very late on assumed Patty T was crocked. Which suggests Darry woul have been next up. But there must be doubts, and Scooter's bulging disc must also be a real concern. So Vaa'i, the only one at 100% will start. Scooter most natural to be LH lock, but if back plays up can only hope that Patty's knee is good enough!!!!!
It's a bit concerning how little (first class) rugby some of our likely starting pack has played in recent times.
Taylor, Lomax, Scooter and Ardie have all had extended stints on the sidelines.
I hope these guys have all played a bit of club rugby and I would quite like to hear that they've got one of those game of three halves lined up at the weekend so some of these guys get a decent run.
Vaa'i to start this one wouldn't be a bad call. As I said earlier, Newell to start ahead of Lomax wouldn't surprise me either.
Given what happened when we played SA last year after three weeks in camp, I'm a bit concerned about how undercooked we might be in this one.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England I:
Given what happened when we played SA last year after three weeks in camp, I'm a bit concerned about how undercooked we might be in this one.
Apples and oranges. Mostly a new coaching group. First test of a new era at home vs for all intents and purposes a rwc 'warm up' game played at a neutral site.
More comparable would be first tests of a new season.
