All Blacks vs England I
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs England I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs England I:
Great, I'll have to sit with that lot. Ugh
Was usually easy to find the rugby on in Singapore. They difficult bit will be your aversion to who you are surrounded by...
haha, I was being silly. Sat behind some england supporters at the losing SF in Yokohama, they were perfectly nice. A quick google search suggests I will be spoilt for choice near where I am staying (Clarke Quay)
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
- Papali'i
- Savea (VC)
- Christie
- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett (VC)
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams/Tu'ungafasi
- Newell
- Vaa'i
- Blackadder
- Ratima
- Perofeta (yuck)
- ALB
Pending injury in camp, I'd say you're on the money.
It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
- Papali'i
- Savea (VC)
- Christie
- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett (VC)
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams/Tu'ungafasi
- Newell
- Vaa'i
- Blackadder
- Ratima
- Perofeta (yuck)
- ALB
Pending injury in camp, I'd say you're on the money.
It will be interesting to see what differences they attempt to instil from the Fozzie era.
probably right but if we have what is a very establish backline like that....id like to have proctor on the bench
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs England I:
So as the dust settles on the first ABs squad of the year, who is in the 23 to play the first test against England. I think Razor will select the following:
- De Groot
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett (C)
- Tuipolotu
- Finau
Papali'iBlackadder- Savea (VC)
ChristieRatima- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Barrett (VC)
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Aumua
- Williams/Tu'ungafasi
- Newell
- Vaa'i
BlackadderPapaliiRatimaPerenara- Perofeta (yuck)
- ALB
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@Kiwiwomble 5.50 at the TAB, but presumably you'll get better odds online
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs England I:
Halfback will be pretty interesting.
I can see a case for any of the three starting.
Most likely Christie or Perenara on the bench - I'd either start the rookie in tandem with his Super partner or let him sit this one out.
Under the roof could be ideal conditions for Ratima to debut. He has the quickest service of the 3 (which plays to DMac's strengths) as well as the combo with DMac so let's make use of it.
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My expectation is the first Test will be the most challenging. Reduced time in camp against a team getting better as their coach gets his feet under the desk.
As @reprobate points out, our strength may be in the bench. I'll just be interested in what patterns we want to implement, preferably good exits, a desire to play in their half and offensive defence.
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@antipodean Yeah I think if there's one super obvious thing which another team has used with success, it's the SA bench. And I reckon we can outdo them at their own game, so hopefully we go down that path rather than the christie, havili, laulala, ALB etc - good players all, but not impact players.
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its scary the idea that the bench is just the second best person in a position is still so prevalent....how effective it can be if you treat them as their own specialist positions has been known for many years
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs England I:
@Chris-B My guess is that the 23 will be almost entirely players who featured in the World Cup in France and that the new coaching team are going for evolution rather than revolution.
That would make most sense to me, they have no time to try anything too new
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have basically spent the last 5 years tearing my hair out watching england, no obvious future talent, no obvious tactics, no obvious commitment to the grunt, let alone any ambition to put people through gaps.
Bloody Borthwick has given me a sniff of optimism in the last 3 games, we have some genuine prospective talent around, Martin and Itoje in the second row, our back row looks class with Earl in form, our halfback is starting to look like he can play rugby, we have a centre combination, our wingers are quick, our full back has changed from a lumbering chap who's good under the high ball to a guy who two years ago i wouldn't have picked for a local club side but has put on some weight and has improved out of sight.
Playing in NZ will be a fascinating test for them, i hope they enjoy it, i hope they turn up. I have no real knowledge of the new ABs in the squad and don't know how much of a reset this really is, but playing in NZ is always bloody hard.
As they say, its the hope that kills you
