Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pot Hale" data-cid="607838" data-time="1471793527">
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<p>Yesterday's win doesn't put the England 3-0 series win in perspective. New Zealand are the number one team in the world for practically the last decade and rarely lose games.<br><br>
If Argentina spank Australia home and away, then it might put the England series in perspective.</p>
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<p>I think you can draw some reference. When England won 3 zip it was accredited more to England being good than Oz being shite. Now Oz, in a match they target every year with their best prep window and have recently been quite tough in, have shown themselves to be pants (even if it was against the best side in the world).</p>
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<p>I would back England to beat Argentina any day so your analogy is a bit off.</p>
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<p>I'm not saying that England didn't deserve the wins or that Oz handed it to them just that I think this result does show an indication of the state Oz rugby is currently in.</p> -
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I think you can draw some reference. When England won 3 zip it was accredited more to England being good than Oz being shite. Now Oz, in a match they target every year with their best prep window and have recently been quite tough in, have shown themselves to be pants (even if it was against the best side in the world).<br><br>
I would back England to beat Argentina any day so your analogy is a bit off.<br><br>
I'm not saying that England didn't deserve the wins or that Oz handed it to them just that I think this result does show an indication of the state Oz rugby is currently in.</p></blockquote>
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No I don't accept that line of argument. NZ are expected to win a match against Australia - home or away. And they win them regularly. The margin of victory is substantial undoubtedly but the victory is not surprising. <br><br>
Nonetheless, it's when a lower ranked team achieves a similar outcome against Australia that England's series victory might be more comparatively assessed. <br><br>
And you make my point when you say that you'd back England over Argentina any day. So if Argentina were to do a double over the Wallabies, it would put England's series win in perspective. <br><br>
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<p>If anyone knows of a feed of the whole match please let me know. Was working all day yesterday and studiously managed to avoid everything about the game. `sat down at 11 last night to watch the recording I had set but despite the recording showing I was watching the TRC it was of some fucken tennis instead. Virgin have just pushed through a software update and I think that may have screwed it!</p>
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<p>Close your eyes and just imagine it was any of the following recent games between the teams:</p>
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<p>Auckland, 2015</p>
<p>Auckland, 2014</p>
<p>Sydney, 2013</p>
<p>Auckland, 2011 (both times).</p>
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<p>Then simply change a few ABs around and add in some extra shitness from Straya. Bingo.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pot Hale" data-cid="607858" data-time="1471810218">
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<p>No I don't accept that line of argument. NZ are expected to win a match against Australia - home or away. And they win them regularly. The margin of victory is substantial undoubtedly but the victory is not surprising.<br><br>
Nonetheless, it's when a lower ranked team achieves a similar outcome against Australia that England's series victory might be more comparatively assessed.<br><br>
And you make my point when you say that you'd back England over Argentina any day. So if Argentina were to do a double over the Wallabies, it would put England's series win in perspective.<br><br>
Hope that makes sense.</p>
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<p>It was a record defeat at home for the Wallabies.</p>
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Australia being so weak is not good for rugby.<br>
I hope they will come back strongly very soon. The problem is : with which players ?</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pakman" data-cid="607880" data-time="1471816513"><p>Well they could start by picking a team which will win its lineouts.Those two in a row lost from the All Black 22 were the start of the rot around 25 minutes in.</p></blockquote>
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And those players are..... -
I think unorodox tactics like playing two 7s , can be a good surprise tactic , <br><br>
But once you do it quite a few times it's no longer a surprise tactic <br><br>
Bit like opening the bowling with Dipak Patel
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<p>Is Michael Hooper actually a good test match player? He's quick, but he's not very effective, and he fucks their lineout. Pocock is good for a couple of defending turnovers a game to save points, but what does he create? And he fucks their lineout. Fardy gives away too many penalties, and is an ordinary carrier, but at least he can win a lineout. McCalman was very disappointing. </p>
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<p>Simmons can run a lineout, can apparently push in a scrum, but is effective as wet tissue around the track. Douglas is well under done.</p>
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<p>The biggest problem for Aus is, even if they make the same observations as me, what do they do about it? They've got nothing to come in. </p> -
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<p>I wouldn't blame the captain but the forwards esp Moore and Foley. Foley, were you playing? Certainly not playmaking. I thought Foley was going to be a decent international 10 for the Wallabies last year, now not so convinced.</p>
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<p>I think Foley is a good player, but it's a damn sight harder to make play when you're going backwards. </p>
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<p>That was a brutal game - as shown by the injury toll - but the All Blacks just continued smashing into it and the Wallabies got out-muscled and wilted.</p>
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<p>I think Mick's earlier point about most of their team having had very little game time is pertinent - as is Chieka's point about attitude. But it must be pretty intimidating to play against the ABs when they're in that sort of "take no prisoners" mode.</p>
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<p>ACT - they probably need to abandoned the two opensiders theory, which never works in the long run - Pocock, Fardy and McCalman to start - Hooper on the bench. Give Pocock the captaincy.</p> -
<p>Sorry if I am just repeating what has been said but I was astonished at how good our ball skills were and how they kept it alive without fumbling.</p>
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<p>We can bang on about how bad Aussie were but I would rather bang on about how effective the All Blacks were. From 1-23 (did everyone get on?) that was a complete performance for me.</p>
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<p>People I like more and more as I see them play for the AB's are as follows:</p>
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<p>Crotty</p>
<p>Fekitoa</p>
<p>Kaino (renewed love)</p>
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<p>Finally, so much 'credit' has to be given to Coles for his performance. That was outstanding and he admitted that he was more worried about his lungs than his injury. My man love for him increased 100 fold when he said in his interview that he had to go into some pretty dark places to get himself through.</p> -
<p>Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:</p>
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<p>The biggest problem for Aus is, even if they make the same observations as me, what do they do about it? They've got nothing to come in. </p>
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<p>There is little point making wholesale changes. This team isn't great, but has performed far better in the past. Guys like Douglas and Genia hadn't played since last year or early this year. Throwing them around club rugby (or Subbies) for a couple of weeks probably would have been a better option than running a Wallaby camp. Game time is important.</p>
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<p>In any case, the change isn't going to be coming any time soon. Not while our grassroots is so completely fucked up, particularly in NSW where the hierarchy can't decide which direction to go, and don't have the political power to implement anything anyway.</p>
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<p>Too many chiefs in Australian Rugby, not enough Indians.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="607898" data-time="1471821964">
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<p>Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:</p>
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<p>Reddit Rugby Union is a useful place to check:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/4ysfsa/2016_trc_r1_australia_vs_new_zealand/'>https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/4ysfsa/2016_trc_r1_australia_vs_new_zealand/</a></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="607898" data-time="1471821964">
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<p>Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:</p>
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<p>You can watch full replays on foxsports.com.au apparently. Depending on which version of our third world internet you have, of course :)</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="607898" data-time="1471821964">
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<p>Foxtel can go eat a dick. After not recording both the RC matches on Saturday night/Sunday morning (but somehow managing to record the Warriors) and then not having an replays on Sunday I found a highlight package to record. Go to watch it, but, no rugby, instead half of it is an interview with Dean Jones and the other half if is darts. :mad1:</p>
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<p>Awesome.</p>
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<p>I love cricket AND darts.</p> -
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<p>There is little point making wholesale changes. This team isn't great, but has performed far better in the past. Guys like Douglas and Genia hadn't played since last year or early this year. Throwing them around club rugby (or Subbies) for a couple of weeks probably would have been a better option than running a Wallaby camp. Game time is important.</p>
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<p>In any case, the change isn't going to be coming any time soon. Not while our grassroots is so completely fucked up, particularly in NSW where the hierarchy can't decide which direction to go, and don't have the political power to implement anything anyway.</p>
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<p>Too many chiefs in Australian Rugby, not enough Indians.</p>
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<p>Yep, playing some footy...any footy...would have been a better strategy. Even if it the team having a hitout was against the Tallebudgera Over 35s. Did they play a "practice" game or anything like that? Presume the NRC teams would be assembled and ready to give the team a run.</p>
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<p>Weeks and weeks in camp seem to be counterproductive. They got three weeks in camp before the Lions in 2013 (while the Lions played their warm-up games against SR teams sans Wallabies) and that ended badly.</p>
