Super Rugby 2024
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia is the only one that brought up players having to be rested
That's not strictly true, player rests were brought up with the announcement of the new SR CEO before my first post on this theme.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia I'll admit, I'm not sure of your point anymore.
Rugby isn't NRL.
I don't care if all the best players aren't playing every single week.
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@Nepia ok, you didn't quote that thought you quoted my post about if we could be as successful as the NRL currently is it wouldn't be bad...so you can see my confusion
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia I'll admit, I'm not sure of your point anymore.
Rugby isn't NRL.
and something doesnt have to be identical to learn form it
same geographic market and overlapping fan base should be enough for at least consideration
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
Agree. Super rugby has, in my view, huge potential. But not if it continues to be subservient to test rugby. This must be kicked into touch in some way
I just hope they have found someone great. Not just OK as they couldn't find someone who was super-duper.
TBH, you've got league if you want club/franchise to dominate rather than tests.
Also, that face and added to his "marketing" background has me already feeling nervous.
I'm already resigned to this being a fizzer of an appointment. Does anyone know what ground-breaking implementations he was responsible for at Canterbury or the A-League? Have either of them substantially increased revenue or market share? Any fundamental changes to competition structures resulting in tangible benefits?
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@antipodean no facts too support this but my feeling was A-League is growing in popularity, long term growth with new teams, maybe not huge crowds yet but passionate
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia ok, you didn't quote that thought you quoted my post about if we could be as successful as the NRL currently is it wouldn't be bad...so you can see my confusion
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia I'll admit, I'm not sure of your point anymore.
Rugby isn't NRL.
and something doesnt have to be identical to learn form it
I was just replying to a similar comment from one of your earlier posts.
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
thats quitter talk, i dont buy the we cant so lets not try....because the "cant" is subjective
That's not what I'm saying, we can learn from other sports, but we're not going to be able to emulate them as much as we may want to.
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
as much as we may want to.
this, to me is the point. If you break it down, most don't actually want to. Mainly because change may negatively impact something they like now.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean no facts too support this but my feeling was A-League is growing in popularity, long term growth with new teams, maybe not huge crowds yet but passionate
Perhaps Super Rugby could do the same, moving on from just 12 teams up to 18..?
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@mariner4life you're probably right, im just concerned that if you're not looking to grow...then your begging to actually fail....i dont think keeping the status quo is possible
@antipodean i think if its based on actual business cases like A-League rather than trying to force growth into new areas that show little interest, thats exactly what we should do
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@mariner4life you're probably right, im just concerned that if you're not looking to grow...then your begging to actually fail....i dont think keeping the status quo is possible
as long as the ABs continue to win more than they lose, and the kiwi teams keep winning Super rugby, then i don't think most will give a shit. And until the mythical explosion of basketball and league actually happens, i can't see that changing. so muddle along we will.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean i think if its based on actual business cases like A-League rather than trying to force growth into new areas that show little interest, thats exactly what we should do
I don't much about the A-League and care even less, but it seems they've had the same problem with expansion that SR had.
They've also got the problem that the best exponents of their game are definitely not in Australia.
It would be reassuring if the reported comments included something like "he presented a compelling SWOT analysis showing us some easy gains and long term strategy for growth in engagement, revenue etc."
But fear not, he played some code a few decades ago.
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@antipodean not sure what problems theyve had, thought it had been pretty stable
I know when the Western United won their bid it was competitive, South Melbourne FC are a very old club, lots of history with lots of local success...was the other team locally that was in the running...theyre still pushing for an A-League spot, Western United are building a new admittedly small (appropriate) out west which has to be a sign things are ok for the future
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@Kiwiwomble I was just reading about how a couple of their early additions lost their licences or some such.
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@antipodean maybe, not too sure about the past, recently seems ok and i think importantly problems theyve had havent blown up the whole league
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
How is a new CEO going to make any difference to that? He is the CEO os board, not the coach of individual teams etc.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Winger said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
Agree. Super rugby has, in my view, huge potential. But not if it continues to be subservient to test rugby. This must be kicked into touch in some way
I just hope they have found someone great. Not just OK as they couldn't find someone who was super-duper.
TBH, you've got league if you want club/franchise to dominate rather than tests.
Also, that face and added to his "marketing" background has me already feeling nervous.
I'm already resigned to this being a fizzer of an appointment. Does anyone know what ground-breaking implementations he was responsible for at Canterbury or the A-League? Have either of them substantially increased revenue or market share? Any fundamental changes to competition structures resulting in tangible benefits?
You sound a real joy and a positive person , looking to be negative about someone don't seem to know anything about.
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i think looking for a silver bullet is often how people get judged too harshly, this appointment just needs to be an improvement...and the next one will be another improvement...and long term we'll get there
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2024:
Comparing rugby to NRL is apples and oranges too, but you do you too.
not when they are directly competing for the same eye balls it's not.
If i buy a ticket to watch say the Panthers v the Titans, i can be assured that, barring injury, i am watching Edwards, To'o, Cleary, Yeo, and JFH. So i will go
If i was thinking about buying a ticket to say, the Chiefs v the Crusaders, and the team was named without DMac and Finau, i'm saving my money. To me that is the difference.
Yep Mariner I see your point, you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one? Nothing wrong with it, so not getting at you, but that's what it is. I know in a game like rugby,I don't expect to see top (or any ) players every week, just how the game is.
I went to Canes vs Rebels where Canes made a shit load of changes, but it was still my team so I was there with bells on and loved every minute watching my team play. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
Finally!
Interesting to see how rests for international players get handled now
How is a new CEO going to make any difference to that? He is the CEO os board, not the coach of individual teams etc.
because previously Super was a subsidiary to SANZAAR (or whatever it's called now). If they have genuinely spun this up as a standalone entity, the directives to Super players and coaches should be going through the new entity and the new CEO.
Super was the best comp in the world for a long time - it's been a pale shadow of its former self. The question is whether Super is just a feeder for internationals, or a proper standalone competition.
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
you (like a fair few) a star follower perhaps and not a team one
no, not even remotely the case
but if i am forking out what they are charging for a fucking ticket to a game these days, i want to see elite talent, not reserve graders.
(as an aside, i was talking to Dad about why i just cared so little about the Chiefs now. It's because i left the Chiefs region 22 years ago. Being from BOP I fucking hate Waikato so why support a team based there? There is nothing tying me to them other than nostalgia for $10 tickets to Rugby Park including a jug at the Outback. They are not my home team, a fact that has never been hidden. So why care?)
