Crystal Glass XV
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@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
Well, we’re unlikely to know, but my guess is probably yes and almost definitely yes. Although in truth there was little that WR could do even if they wanted to. Tuilagi qualified hands down. The citizenship and overstaying was not within their remit.
Edit: From what I can gather, once the problem was realised, the correct channels were followed and he was granted “indefinite leave to remain” by the UK Government. It was Leicester Tigers that started the ball rolling on this one and they lobbied local politicians and the RFU to assist their case. Not an RFU initiative.
You sure about that? Ever heard of the dawn raids?
And you think so? We tried with Naholo who was living with family in NZ (legally), but not his parents same as Manu, and were denied.
Also, I'm not saying he should never have been available for England, but WR should have imposed the stand down after his schooling was completed which happened to other players.
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@KiwiMurph said in Crystal Glass XV:
Not sure they've been mentioned yet but Taniela Tupou and Jordie Petaia would be two that fit the (food)bill
And let’s not forget Matt Rogers or better known as Medicare Matt because he was frequently injured.
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@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
Don't forget that midfielder from Waikato who makes the list because of an act of filth from an Aussie scumbag
One injury which you come back from makes you eligible for the glass XV?
May as well include everyone who’s played for the ABs who’s not called Sean Fitzpatrick.
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@MN5 said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
Don't forget that midfielder from Waikato who makes the list because of an act of filth from an Aussie scumbag
One injury which you come back from makes you eligible for the glass XV?
May as well include everyone who’s played for the ABs who’s not called Sean Fitzpatrick.
"Players what got injuried"
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@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
Don't forget that midfielder from Waikato who makes the list because of an act of filth from an Aussie scumbag
One injury which you come back from makes you eligible for the glass XV?
I can't even remember the poor guy's name. Is he back for the Chiefs yet?
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@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
Don't forget that midfielder from Waikato who makes the list because of an act of filth from an Aussie scumbag
One injury which you come back from makes you eligible for the glass XV?
I can't even remember the poor guy's name. Is he back for the Chiefs yet?
I think you've misunderstood the thread
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@Nepia said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
Well, we’re unlikely to know, but my guess is probably yes and almost definitely yes. Although in truth there was little that WR could do even if they wanted to. Tuilagi qualified hands down. The citizenship and overstaying was not within their remit.
Edit: From what I can gather, once the problem was realised, the correct channels were followed and he was granted “indefinite leave to remain” by the UK Government. It was Leicester Tigers that started the ball rolling on this one and they lobbied local politicians and the RFU to assist their case. Not an RFU initiative.
OK, let's first dial it back a bit and remember that my initial comment about poaching was clearly tongue in cheek, OK?
You sure about that? Ever heard of the dawn raids?
Nope, but would be pleased to be enlightened. Genuinely.
And you think so? We tried with Naholo who was living with family in NZ (legally), but not his parents same as Manu, and were denied.
So you tried? I'd say that my suggestion that you (NZ rugby) "probably would" is borne out by this only with the Government/immigration denying the opportunity.
Also, I'm not saying he should never have been available for England, but WR should have imposed the stand down after his schooling was completed which happened to other players.
Here you may have a point but it would need comparison with others. During his post schooling he did qualify win residential grounds, having worked and paid taxes in the UK would be a counter point. But murky for sure.
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@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
@canefan said in Crystal Glass XV:
Don't forget that midfielder from Waikato who makes the list because of an act of filth from an Aussie scumbag
One injury which you come back from makes you eligible for the glass XV?
I can't even remember the poor guy's name. Is he back for the Chiefs yet?
Quinn Tupaea.
Yes.
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@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Nepia said in Crystal Glass XV:
@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
Well, we’re unlikely to know, but my guess is probably yes and almost definitely yes. Although in truth there was little that WR could do even if they wanted to. Tuilagi qualified hands down. The citizenship and overstaying was not within their remit.
Edit: From what I can gather, once the problem was realised, the correct channels were followed and he was granted “indefinite leave to remain” by the UK Government. It was Leicester Tigers that started the ball rolling on this one and they lobbied local politicians and the RFU to assist their case. Not an RFU initiative.
OK, let's first dial it back a bit and remember that my initial comment about poaching was clearly tongue in cheek, OK?
You sure about that? Ever heard of the dawn raids?
Nope, but would be pleased to be enlightened. Genuinely.
And you think so? We tried with Naholo who was living with family in NZ (legally), but not his parents same as Manu, and were denied.
So you tried? I'd say that my suggestion that you (NZ rugby) "probably would" is borne out by this only with the Government/immigration denying the opportunity.
Also, I'm not saying he should never have been available for England, but WR should have imposed the stand down after his schooling was completed which happened to other players.
Here you may have a point but it would need comparison with others. During his post schooling he did qualify win residential grounds, having worked and paid taxes in the UK would be a counter point. But murky for sure.
I will use any opportunity to have a shot at the overstayer, England, English rugby and WR, even tongue and cheeks posts.
Dawn raids were when PI overstayers were raided by Police and immigration, often at dawn, despite the fact the majority of our overstayers tended to be of a white complexion.
For clarity NZ rugby applied to have Naholo's schooling counted, like the overstayer, but were turned down by WR - nothing to do with NZ govt/immigration.
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@Bones said in Crystal Glass XV:
"Players what got injuried"
If Sean Fitzpatrick ran hard at a brick wall, the wall would be out for much of the season
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@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
During his post schooling he did qualify win residential grounds, having worked and paid taxes in the UK would be a counter point.
Actually, Kiwis or Aussies, having been in pretty much the same position as Tuilagi (paid taxes and been legally in the country for 4+ years) were generally refused "Indefinite Leave to Remain" - me included.
Pretty clear cut being a promising England rugby player was a key reason he was given his stamp.
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@Victor-Meldrew it was on the list of shortages.
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And yet, here you still are 😉
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@Catogrande said in Crystal Glass XV:
And yet, here you still are 😉
I felt it my duty to increase the gene pool.
