Black Caps v Australia
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Further to a point I made earlier.
In terms of judging a player on a single performance cricket is one of those sports that it applies to least…..
But fuck me Southee looked terrible. When Henry, O’Rourke and fucken Kuggelin ( did I spell that right ) put in some handy performances and you the captain get none it might be time to have a think about hanging things up.
…..and I say that as a massive fan of him and all he’s done for our best ever era of cricket. Give it away before it gets more embarassing.
The most worrying aspect about Southee's current form is that we probably have to put with it unitl he decides to retire, I can't see him getting dropped.
Given his approach to DRS reviews, he proabably ain't retiring anytime soon.
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Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:
Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....
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@TeWaio said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:
Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....
Making Timmee captain was probably just another poor decision from Stead. He will drive the bus off the cliff and let the next coach worry about picking up the pieces
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@TeWaio said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Chris said in Black Caps v Australia:
Southee should be done,very ineffective as an opening bowler he just is wasting the new ball.
He has been good for NZ but you have to know when to go like Wagner ,I admired his decision if Southee carries on he will ruin his earlier performances.
It would be sad to see if he is only remembered for what he is producing now.Wagner retired after he was told he wouldn't be selected though...issue is its unlikely someone is telling the captain that....
For one test not never selected again as he was picked in the squad,Wagner saw the writing on the wall.
Southee needs to do what is right for NZ cricket and himself and retire.
Captains have been dropped before it does happen often.
Who ever made the short sighted decision to make Southee captain needs to fix that very bad mistake and have a whisper in his ear. -
If NZ manage to bat long enough today that Australia need to use Green and Marsh. We will probably see that Southee is the 9th best seam bowler playing in this match.
I know this is a bit of a waaaah post. But it is so frustrating when your worst bowler is taking the new ball etc, makes me want to lash out and rage-post.
Makes me realise that modern day M Marsh is basically CdG pace (and role), and that Southee is also now CdG pace. I'm a big fan of CdG, there can be a place for a 125k bowler who nips it around - CdG was an excellent role player in our team plus he had a batting average of 35. But, this is not the role that Southee is doing.
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@Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?
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Who could replace Southee There is not much to replace atm.
Zac Foulkes if you want a swing bowler
Ferns if you want a bounce bowler
Lister if you want a left arm option
Duffy if you want a steady
option
All worth a punt can’t be much worse as strike bowlers.
Sears if you want a quick he has done well when ever given a chance in the short form
Nothing to say he can not transfer that to test level.Edit
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Our hope it that we can finish them them off early and spend the majority of days 2 and 3 batting when the batting is at it's best.
Unfortunately history shows us we generally get all out on the second day, give Aussie the best of the batting conditions on the third then collapse in the 4th innings as the pitch crumbles.
Please reverse history today the Black Caps! Please!!
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Great ton by Cam Green. So critical for where he is in his career right now. Burst onto the scene with so much promise, has always looked solid but we've been waiting for him to take that next step.
Knocking up a hundred on a green monster away from home, with no support at the other end. That's a daddy hundred. You can base a career on that sort of thing, and I hope he does.
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.
Except at 125km Southee isn't exactly a "fast" bowler...
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@Canes4life said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?
All of a sudden. So who is ready right here, right now.
The obvious, but boring, answer would be the 12th man, Santner.
For a seam bowler. It would be Duffy, Smith or Tickner. Who have the overs and the performances this season, and are robust.
Smith has never played overseas yet, so I reckon he'll need that first before the selectors seriously look to pick him for test level (he's missed all away 'A" tours by being injured at wrong times). So either Duffy as a like-for-like, or Tickner as the old ball bowler and promote one of O'Rourke or Kuggeleijn to new-ball bowler.
Tickner gets laughed off based on his T20 stuff that gets televised, but he's got the attributes to bowl well with an old ball if he sticks to simple(ish) plans (not asked to wagnerball it). Even doing an MN5 style paint by numbers stats look. His 12 wickets in 3 tests as an old ball bowler brings much more to the table than Southee's recent output of 7 wickets in his last 5 tests as a new-ball bowler.
I like Fisher, Foulkes and Lister a lot. But don't think they're serious contenders yet due to robustness (Lister and FIsher) while Foulkes is too green. we could pick Foulkes now and quite probably get a bowler better than Southee, but leave him another year to sort his batting and we potentially get a test allrounder, whihc is worth the wait. Don't want to do a Doug Bracewell on him where he is still learning his FC batting at test level.
