Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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I think it's stupid selecting by NZ over the duration.
I look at Nathan Lyon. Yes, he took 5 on debut. But he got start in Sri Lanka. But he didn't come in to the team as a star, in fact my memory of him is being pretty workmanlike
But they stuck with him.
Now he's played 122 times and is closing in on 500 test wickets at 31. There are an awful lot of 0 and 1 wicket innings in that 120-odd tests, but he's still there.
And oh look, he also developed in to a bit of a brick wall lower order batsman.We seem to pick spinners who can bat, and when they aren't warnie straight up, we cut them.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I think it's stupid selecting by NZ over the duration.
I look at Nathan Lyon. Yes, he took 5 on debut. But he got start in Sri Lanka. But he didn't come in to the team as a star, in fact my memory of him is being pretty workmanlike
But they stuck with him.
Now he's played 122 times and is closing in on 500 test wickets at 31. There are an awful lot of 0 and 1 wicket innings in that 120-odd tests, but he's still there.
And oh look, he also developed in to a bit of a brick wall lower order batsman.We seem to pick spinners who can bat, and when they aren't
warnieVettori straight up, we cut them.Settle down, be realistic.
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Lyon is one of those guys who I always felt "how does this guy take wickets", but he's a bloody good bowler. Probably spoilt by watching Warnie's career, and expecting everything to turn square.
We've ended up with three spinners, all basically only used away, and no clear favourite. Probably Ajaz, but...
And as I type, Ajaz joins Santner in the wicket column
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Really pleased to see Santner given a chance. He showed some lovely flight in his bowling at the ODI World Cup that showed potential for more than just an economical/holding bowler in tests. Add in his batting and fielding too.
Ah yeah steady on. Everyone who plays cricket bats and fields at some stage. Not really a point of difference.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Really pleased to see Santner given a chance. He showed some lovely flight in his bowling at the ODI World Cup that showed potential for more than just an economical/holding bowler in tests. Add in his batting and fielding too.
Ah yeah steady on. Everyone who plays cricket bats and fields at some stage. Not really a point of difference.
Santner has a test century to his name and is an outstanding fielder, whereas Sodhi - for example - is an adequate lower order batter and an absolute liability in the field.
Are you trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse? Or both?
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@Smudge said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Really pleased to see Santner given a chance. He showed some lovely flight in his bowling at the ODI World Cup that showed potential for more than just an economical/holding bowler in tests. Add in his batting and fielding too.
Ah yeah steady on. Everyone who plays cricket bats and fields at some stage. Not really a point of difference.
Santner has a test century to his name and is an outstanding fielder, whereas Sodhi - for example - is an adequate lower order batter and an absolute liability in the field.
Are you trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse? Or both?
Is any modern cricketer really a “liability” in the field ?
Sodhi has gotten four fifties but you’re right, an average of 24 to 21 really swings it Santners way. Mitch has gotten the bowling average under 45 though. Sky is the limit from here on in really !
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Smudge said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Really pleased to see Santner given a chance. He showed some lovely flight in his bowling at the ODI World Cup that showed potential for more than just an economical/holding bowler in tests. Add in his batting and fielding too.
Ah yeah steady on. Everyone who plays cricket bats and fields at some stage. Not really a point of difference.
Santner has a test century to his name and is an outstanding fielder, whereas Sodhi - for example - is an adequate lower order batter and an absolute liability in the field.
Are you trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse? Or both?
Is any modern cricketer really a “liability” in the field ?
If any modern cricketer is, it's Sodhi. Drops more than his fair share of catches and moves like a carthorse no matter how they try to hide him.
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@Smudge said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Smudge said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Really pleased to see Santner given a chance. He showed some lovely flight in his bowling at the ODI World Cup that showed potential for more than just an economical/holding bowler in tests. Add in his batting and fielding too.
Ah yeah steady on. Everyone who plays cricket bats and fields at some stage. Not really a point of difference.
Santner has a test century to his name and is an outstanding fielder, whereas Sodhi - for example - is an adequate lower order batter and an absolute liability in the field.
Are you trying to be funny or deliberately obtuse? Or both?
Is any modern cricketer really a “liability” in the field ?
If any modern cricketer is, it's Sodhi. Drops more than his fair share of catches and moves like a carthorse no matter how they try to hide him.
I’m not sure he’s played enough or maybe I haven’t noticed. There doesn’t seem to be too many Phil Tufnells around these days.
It’s a pretty sad day on the fern when I’m talking up Sodhi though. Whoever gets the spinner spot in the team is subject to lots of criticism.
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@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 Santner would be in the conversation as the best fielder in the team. Sodhi would be the worst. It's a substantial difference.
How bout the wickets per test ratio ?
( in saying that Santner is going good so far )
