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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

    Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

    Kuggelijn - No.
    Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
    Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
    Bracewell - nope
    Duffy - nope
    Ashok - a spinner
    Hampton - 32 yo
    Foulkes - right arm medium.
    Sheat - right arm medium
    Randell right arm medium
    Toole - LEFT arm medium
    Tickner....

    We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

    Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

    no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

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    @MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris Neither are ours...yet.

    Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him! 🙂

    As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.

    The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.

    A genuine all rounder or a Doug Bracewell all rounder ?

    His bowling was a lot more successful than his batting so far.

    Sussex signed him as short term cover, but he doesn't appear to have played since July - not appeared in Plunket Shield.

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    I think Shipley has stress fracture, IIRC.

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris Neither are ours...yet.

    Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him! 🙂

    As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.

    The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.

    A genuine all rounder or a Doug Bracewell all rounder ?

    His bowling was a lot more successful than his batting so far.

    Sussex signed him as short term cover, but he doesn't appear to have played since July - not appeared in Plunket Shield.

    Stress fracture he has done a months rehab over here at the QLD high performance centre in Albion.Getting back to bowling soon hopefully.

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    @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

    Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

    Kuggelijn - No.
    Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
    Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
    Bracewell - nope
    Duffy - nope
    Ashok - a spinner
    Hampton - 32 yo
    Foulkes - right arm medium.
    Sheat - right arm medium
    Randell right arm medium
    Toole - LEFT arm medium
    Tickner....

    We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

    Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

    no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

    I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

    But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

    Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/bowling-most-wickets-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671

    Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?

    Kuggelijn - No.
    Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
    Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
    Bracewell - nope
    Duffy - nope
    Ashok - a spinner
    Hampton - 32 yo
    Foulkes - right arm medium.
    Sheat - right arm medium
    Randell right arm medium
    Toole - LEFT arm medium
    Tickner....

    We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!

    Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go

    no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.

    I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.

    But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.

    Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.

    It is worth a go you can ease a couple in around Jamieson and Henry with Santner they have cover. It is worth a try to get some development at a higher level.
    I am talking about white ball cricket not test matches just yet, that way they can bowl shorter spells work on variations before entering test cricket.

    I don't expect miracles yeah some of the worlds better batsmen will get hold of them but that is happening now anyway to the older bowlers, hopefully they learn as they go no pain no gain holds true.

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    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.

    I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    I see your point maybe 50/50 call I think,,But I do like Chapman as well he hits clean with nice fast hands.

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    @MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.

    I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.

    yep fair call there I think, he just didn't quite get there.

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

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    @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

    Yeah - we needed that lbw review where he got a little inside edge. Shubman had an early inside edge that just missed leg stump ad went for four.

    I think it was Rohit who cut wide of point in the air.

    These were the "everythings" Doull said we needed to go our way - including the toss.

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    @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?

    Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.

    fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.

    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

    His test record could be better though

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    @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

    John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit

    John's son Daryl made two hundreds vs India at this World Cup and lost both times!

    oh the delicious smug feelings in the bar afterwards

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    @mariner4life He's on a Journey!

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    @mariner4life He's on a Journey!

    i want Daryl Mitchell to be captain and drop Tim Southee so Nepia can hate him for life.

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    🙂

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338?team=5

    He had a pretty good tournament - stats pretty much equivalent to Ravindra.

    Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

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    @Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:

    Might do OK in the IPL auction as well!!!

    Reckon he and Ravindra are going to be getting new cars soon

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    @nzzp https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/batting-highest-career-batting-average/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-15338

    They've matched the elite Indian batsmen - well, not quite Kohli, but he's had some tournament - averaging over 100!

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