CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand
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@Chris Neither are ours...yet.
Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him!
As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.
The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris Neither are ours...yet.
Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him!
As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.
The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.
A genuine all rounder or a Doug Bracewell all rounder ?
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Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?
Kuggelijn - No.
Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
Bracewell - nope
Duffy - nope
Ashok - a spinner
Hampton - 32 yo
Foulkes - right arm medium.
Sheat - right arm medium
Randell right arm medium
Toole - LEFT arm medium
Tickner....We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!
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wait, some bloke on here told me like a year ago we had heaps of them. where did they go?
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris It's happening anyway.
They haven't picked Wagner to go to Bangladesh and Boult has removed himself from the equation.
I presume they'll have to find a replacement for Matt Henry - but, he's still in his prime and should pretty much be the first bowler picked.
I'm inclined to think that you pick the best you have available unless there's very small margins between the old and the young. I've seen nothing to suggest we've got anyone else as good as the guys who were at this CWC. And none of the next line of bowlers - Duffy, Tickner, Kuggelijn, Bracewell, Milne - are spring chickens.
I don't think it's at all hard for a young gun fast bowler to come through in NZ. In my lifetime, mainly the cupboard has been pretty bare.
It all happens naturally anyway with ODIs, because the top players only play half of the ODIs anyway. E.g. in the last 4 year cycle between world cups. None of the first choice seam bowler played more than half the games.
Therefore you would expect the next generation to be getting decent game time anyway. Unfortunately the mini/half generation of seam bowlers (e.g. 5 years younger than the all-time great crop of Southee, Boult, Wagner, Fergusson, Henry etc ) are not very good. Apart from Jamieson (and even then, not in white-ball).
So, there are no successors ready in place with 40 to 50 games under their belt ready to step up as the great generation retires. They are more placeholders.
Fortunately the bowling crop 10 years young than the current crop are way more promising than the placeholder 'generation'. But, I'd assume there will be transition pain.
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We’ve got one of the fastest bowlers in the world coming through in Ben Sears (same 1st XI as Ravindra) but I’d say he’ll be a year or so off as he needs to mature physically.
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@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
We’ve got one of the fastest bowlers in the world coming through in Ben Sears (same 1st XI as Ravindra) but I’d say he’ll be a year or so off as he needs to mature physically.
yep get him in there if he bowls north of 140ks
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
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Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?
Kuggelijn - No.
Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
Bracewell - nope
Duffy - nope
Ashok - a spinner
Hampton - 32 yo
Foulkes - right arm medium.
Sheat - right arm medium
Randell right arm medium
Toole - LEFT arm medium
Tickner....We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!
Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go
no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.
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@MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris Neither are ours...yet.
Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him!
As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.
The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.
A genuine all rounder or a Doug Bracewell all rounder ?
His bowling was a lot more successful than his batting so far.
Sussex signed him as short term cover, but he doesn't appear to have played since July - not appeared in Plunket Shield.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris Neither are ours...yet.
Starc's only 6 months younger than Boult - he's got no upside, the Aussies should have dumped him!
As before - we are moving in the direction you want. Wagner and Boult are being eased out.
The problem is - our next best bowlers are the likes of Tickner, who aren't particularly good and are already in their early 30s. And if we've got good young quicks behind them, I don't know who they are - Ben Sears has had a run, but I've never seen him to know if he's got promise. Shipley? He's supposed to be an allrounder.
A genuine all rounder or a Doug Bracewell all rounder ?
His bowling was a lot more successful than his batting so far.
Sussex signed him as short term cover, but he doesn't appear to have played since July - not appeared in Plunket Shield.
Stress fracture he has done a months rehab over here at the QLD high performance centre in Albion.Getting back to bowling soon hopefully.
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@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
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Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?
Kuggelijn - No.
Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
Bracewell - nope
Duffy - nope
Ashok - a spinner
Hampton - 32 yo
Foulkes - right arm medium.
Sheat - right arm medium
Randell right arm medium
Toole - LEFT arm medium
Tickner....We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!
Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go
no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.
I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.
But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.
Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
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Well, here they are Harry - what are the magic words?
Kuggelijn - No.
Smith - seems to have been around for a while?
Clarke - Right arm medium - that doesn't sound promising.
Bracewell - nope
Duffy - nope
Ashok - a spinner
Hampton - 32 yo
Foulkes - right arm medium.
Sheat - right arm medium
Randell right arm medium
Toole - LEFT arm medium
Tickner....We seem to lack guys who are 6ft 5 and fast!
Ben Sears,Fraser Sheat,Will O'Rourke all bowl 140 ks 2 are tall quicks give them a go
no wait they are not 50 years old and lets wait until they are 35 and they are bowling 30 ks that will work.
I'm all for it - if they're not going to get slaughtered.
But, Lockie was bowling high 140s and he was going to the boundary even quicker.
Sears has had a go at international T20, so hopefully they are easing him in. But, this year he's averaging 39 in Plunket Shield, so I'm not sure he was going to rein in Virat and Co.
It is worth a go you can ease a couple in around Jamieson and Henry with Santner they have cover. It is worth a try to get some development at a higher level.
I am talking about white ball cricket not test matches just yet, that way they can bowl shorter spells work on variations before entering test cricket.I don't expect miracles yeah some of the worlds better batsmen will get hold of them but that is happening now anyway to the older bowlers, hopefully they learn as they go no pain no gain holds true.
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@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.
I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
I see your point maybe 50/50 call I think,,But I do like Chapman as well he hits clean with nice fast hands.
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@MN5 said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
Neesh will go down as a real unfulfilled talent for me.
I thought he had the potential to be one of the world’s top all rounders.
yep fair call there I think, he just didn't quite get there.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.
Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit
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@mariner4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris On a similar topic - do you think it was the right call to play Chapman over Neesham last night?
Jimmy is on his way out - but, I think he was more likely to hit 30 off 10 balls than Chapman - if that was what was needed, and it was always likely to be.
fringe selection didn't matter once we didn't get Kohli early. Not only does he have a frankly ridiculous record, of the 50 games where he has scored a hundred, India have won 42 of them.
Only 8 times having the delicious feeling of a hundred in a losing effort must sting a bit
Yeah - we needed that lbw review where he got a little inside edge. Shubman had an early inside edge that just missed leg stump ad went for four.
I think it was Rohit who cut wide of point in the air.
These were the "everythings" Doull said we needed to go our way - including the toss.
