Olympics Thread
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<p>True - but, we don't want to be grovelling through as lucky losers - <strong>though it would be quite amusing to play the Jaapies in the quarterfinals</strong>. :)</p>
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<p>It'll only be amusing if we win</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="604580" data-time="1470788379">
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<p>I completely lost track of hockey at the Olympics. Does anyone know how the men and women Black Sticks are going?</p>
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<p>I completely lost track of hockey at the Olympics. Does anyone know how the men and women Black Sticks are going?</p>
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<p>I think the women thumped South Korea, but lost to Germany (4-1 and 1-2 if my memory serves me correctly). The loss to the Germans was worse than the score suggested - Germans could easily have put another couple past us.</p>
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<p>I think the Men have two losses and a draw, but I haven't followed them.</p> -
<p>Further to this - I think the top four from each group make the Quarterfinals, so the women really need to beat Spain in their next game and that should at least qualify them. After that we have the Netherlands who are usually bloody good and China, who are doing quite well, but I think we beat recently.</p>
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<p>Still a long way to go in the 7s, I wouldn't be writing off NZ yet.</p>
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<p>As for the debate on 15s players, I think the evidence of 2016 so far has been that 7s is very hard to adapt to, and you can't just bung blokes in with a few months training and expect them to thrive. It's highly specialised, and almost every attempted convert has been shown up - Habana, Cooper, Speight, de Jongh, Cummins, Hougaard, Messam etc. SBW is the only one who has committed a full year to the program, and he is far from NZ's best player.</p>
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<p>Sevens is quite a fickle game, which is why IMO it's a fraught exercise to make the Olympics a referrendum on the success or failure of a whole program. NZ have won multiple World Series titles this year, and are clearly one of the best sides in the world. An Olympics failure would obviously be disappointing, but doesn't totally invalidate everything Titch has done.</p> -
<p>And make that 20 golds for Phelps. Maybe 21 later today. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="604632" data-time="1470796864"><p>
If our Sevens team happens to win a medal (not the brightest prospect right now) does SBW get one?</p></blockquote>
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<p>is there anyone that polarizes people more than SBW in NZ?</p>
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<p>The guys on RS this morning were saying they were getting some nasty scathing texts about SBW following his injury this morning.</p>
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<p>Gotta feel for him, was looking like getting a real shot at owning the 12 jersey (and lets be honest, we needed him to do just that too) and goes and gets injured, gone for rest of the year at least.</p> -
I love the idea here by some that 7s takes a lifetime to master, yet SBW who has played about 200 minutes of test rugby in the past 3.5 years was magically going to solve our midfield after reconverting to the XV man game after this. Test rugby must be pretty easy relative to 7s.
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<p>not sure anyone was saying he would magically solve anything, but based on what we have seen this year in our mid-field, it was highly likely he was gong to be better than that!</p>
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<p>Hayne ...</p>
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BEST FUCKEN AFFLEET IN VA WORLD MAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYTE!!! TOO FUCKEN GOOD FOR YAWNION MAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYTE!!!!</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10px;">Mind you - FUCKEN TRAITOR TO VA EELS MAYYYYYYYYYYTE!!!</span></p> -
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<p>And make that 20 golds for Phelps. Maybe 21 later today. </p>
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<p>make that 21</p> -
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<p>all of the 2nd paragraph supports my other contention that they're leftovers and shouldn't be called ABs. </p>
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<p>we are losing because we are not selecting our best players, and the game has progressed to the extent that to dominate we need to - whereas previously we could get away with it - the only way for us to do that is to either neglect the 15s (never going to happen) or allow players to come in late.</p>
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<p>no idea of how difficult the scheduling would be, but it would be great for the olympic 7s if a window could be created to get as many international superstars as possible on the park.</p>
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<p>Are you saying that Ben Smith, off of 10 days rest is one of our best 7's players? He just isn't. He is one of our best 15's players but not one of our best 7's players. The best 12 New Zealand 7's players who are fit and who want to be there are at the Olympics. We have picked our best players. Ben Smith almost certainly could have become one of the 12 best New Zealand 7's players by following the programme but he did not want to. This isn't just me saying this. I'm just repeating what Tietjens and every other 7's programme is saying.<br>
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<p>I love the idea here by some that 7s takes a lifetime to master, yet SBW who has played about 200 minutes of test rugby in the past 3.5 years was magically going to solve our midfield after reconverting to the XV man game after this. Test rugby must be pretty easy relative to 7s.</p>
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<p>No one is saying it takes a lifetime to master. What we are saying is that if you wanted to go to the Olympics, you had to play in two or three tournaments in the World Series.</p>
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<p>SBW has consistently performed in Super Rugby and is an established All Black. He wasn't going to magically do anything but he did look like the best option.</p> -
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<p>I love the idea here by some that 7s takes a lifetime to master, <strong>yet SBW who has played about 200 minutes of test rugby in the past 3.5 years</strong> was magically going to solve our midfield after reconverting to the XV man game after this. Test rugby must be pretty easy relative to 7s.</p>
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<p>He played more than 200 minutes at the 2015 RWC for starters. </p> -
<p>Barbarian was the one talking sense here. It is only bloody Sevens, it is a random game, refereeing decisions can have a huge effect on a close game, and a game is very, very short - 7 minutes can go by in the blink of an eye if you can't get your hands on the ball. I'm not writing off NZ in the Olympics yet - from what I have seen in the past, the more important a game is, the less open it is and x-factor isn't so critical.</p>
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<p>As for the Aussies Womens team being in camp for 18 months? Good luck to them but do we really want to do that? No more Olympics until 2020 so do we want to make this squad full time for the world series? It is only Sevens.</p>
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<p>And as for Equestrian - I didn't care about people riding horses yesterday and I still don't care about it today. But does it go into the annals of all time great chokes?</p>
