RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel no but then leaving Jordon on would have been dicey too. The occasion just got the better of him.
I reckon DMac for Jordan would have been the better option at that point
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
In the first half, Barnes let a lot go in terms of high shots and some of the challenges for high balls where Kolbe in particular was very late/didn't time his jump and just hit the Mo'unga. For the second half, Barnes just commentated for the TMO although in his defence, at least he was more accurate and more interesting than the ITV crowd..
For the disallowed try, he had called it on the field as a knock back onto Ardies leg and said play on. For the subsequent penalty and following two penalties, Barnes and the assistants seemed to just be guessing and hoping the TMO would help them out.
When Kwagga Smith came on, a number of balls started flying out of rucks on the Bok side after he had told Smith to get his hands off the ball and the jackler supporting their weight became optional. I think the only penalty after the 56th minute was Kolbe's sending off for either side.
Barnes retreated from the game and let others handle it. Similarly, the assistant refs didn't provide a lot of assistance which is probably why the TMO became so key to many decisions. And that indicates to me that either Barnes team weren't up to the task of a final or that the TMO has taken too much control away from the referee making it difficult to manage a game. Or both.
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@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel no but then leaving Jordon on would have been dicey too. The occasion just got the better of him.
He was definitely having a mare, but he's the guy who can turn a game in an instant in those dying moments. ALB was never going to spark something.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones yeah I thought Kolisi was the worse, looked more like he was more upright and driving up, whereas Cane was always too high.
But we knew this RWC would have a contentious RC, and oddly, I have been surprised ow few there have been, up until the big dance...
And I'm not disputing the SC red card. Heck, I would settle for a penalty for both only at the most. I'm not even blaming Barnes. We had our chances. But fuck me the TMO needs to fuck off. If SF is copping a YC for that, you have to penalise every tackle on rugby and we are one step away from playing 15 aside touch.
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@PecoTrain said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
In the first half, Barnes let a lot go in terms of high shots and some of the challenges for high balls where Kolbe in particular was very late/didn't time his jump and just hit the Mo'unga. For the second half, Barnes just commentated for the TMO although in his defence, at least he was more accurate and more interesting than the ITV crowd..
For the disallowed try, he had called it on the field as a knock back onto Ardies leg and said play on. For the subsequent penalty and following two penalties, Barnes and the assistants seemed to just be guessing and hoping the TMO would help them out.
When Kwagga Smith came on, a number of balls started flying out of rucks on the Bok side after he had told Smith to get his hands off the ball and the jackler supporting their weight became optional. I think the only penalty after the 56th minute was Kolbe's sending off for either side.
Barnes retreated from the game and let others handle it. Similarly, the assistant refs didn't provide a lot of assistance which is probably why the TMO became so key to many decisions. And that indicates to me that either Barnes team weren't up to the task of a final or that the TMO has taken too much control away from the referee making it difficult to manage a game. Or both.
Interesting point. The onfield officials put the whistle away and listened in as it was reffed from the TV.
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@Joans-Town-Jones yep, either both Red or both not IMO, 2 solid head contacts where the tackler wasnt in the right position
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@Rancid-Schnitzel agree. But if there was anyone who I wanted the ball to go to it was Talea and he was still on the field. A myriad of things could have happened to turn the game and unfortunately they didn’t come off. I doubt very much ALB coming on, in the grand scheme of things, was the losing of the game.
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I don't drink much and my parents wouldn't let me kick their cat so I went for a run to get out the anger and disappointment. Running in the opposite direction was a guy wearing a Bok jersey. He was a goofy looking mofo (not your Teutonic, beef fed specimen that wins world cups) and despite my bitterness I gave him a salute.
It's what we do.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't drink much and my parents wouldn't let me kick their cat so I went for a run to get out the anger and disappointment. Running in the opposite direction was a guy wearing a Bok jersey. He was a goofy looking mofo (not your Teutonic, beef fed specimen that wins world cups) and despite my bitterness I gave him a salute.
It's what we do.
I bet you wanted to hit him high, no arms, no mitigation....
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@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel agree. But if there was anyone who I wanted the ball to go to it was Talea and he was still on the field. A myriad of things could have happened to turn the game and unfortunately they didn’t come off. I doubt very much ALB coming on, in the grand scheme of things, was the losing of the game.
Talea was farking incredible.
I never said the ALB had any real bearing on the game. Just didn't think it was the best sub to make. Should have been DMac.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't drink much and my parents wouldn't let me kick their cat so I went for a run to get out the anger and disappointment. Running in the opposite direction was a guy wearing a Bok jersey. He was a goofy looking mofo (not your Teutonic, beef fed specimen that wins world cups) and despite my bitterness I gave him a salute.
It's what we do.
No time like the present to change that
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@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah sorry I realised after I hit send it sounded like I calling you out. No, more my feeling just tacked on at the end.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel agree. But if there was anyone who I wanted the ball to go to it was Talea and he was still on the field. A myriad of things could have happened to turn the game and unfortunately they didn’t come off. I doubt very much ALB coming on, in the grand scheme of things, was the losing of the game.
Telea was farking incredible.
I never said the ALB had any real bearing on the game. Just didn't think it was the best sub to make. Should have been DMac.
He's been one of the finds of the year, cemented his spot for me, although that's up to Razor now. And DMac suggested, in his short cameo, that he has the temperament to run the cutter in 2024. We obviously have a few holes to fill. But the bones of a very good team are there
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Well, it's been a few hours and I'd love to say I've moved on. But I haven't. I'm fucking gutted. I thought this shit was supposed to get easier after you have kids and approach 50 - apparently not.
First, congrats to SA. There is something to be said for knowing exactly who you are as a team. You defended incredibly especially well in the first half. Your high kicks were on point, all contested well. You made your shots at goal. I very much dislike the tactics Rassie employs, and the time-wasting especially has to be stopped - but it's not really your responsibility to make either of things happen.
On the reffing, I'm certainly in the camp of less-TMO intervention being needed. Cane's red was fair under current rules, though I simply can't see how there was sufficient mitigation for Kolisi's head-first challenge to not be treated the same way . It was reckless and head-to-head - any anyone claiming no force should look at how much it rocks Ardie here.
https://www.theroar.com.au/rugby-union/video/siya-kolisis-tackle-isnt-upgraded-smith-has-try-chalked-off-in-painful-five-minutes-for-abs-1314995/\Frizells was just plain odd, and was a 6 point swing.
The AB's played their hearts out, they should be proud of the effort. We certainly weren't error free though, lots of dropped ball and forced passes, and Richie and Jordie will replay those kicks in their heads for years to come. Still, mistakes happen when you get tired, and playing that Springbok team with 14 men for 60mins had to be exhausting. Incredible that we stayed so close.
The kicking discussion has been done to death, but the one tactic I didn't understand today was why we stopped competing at their lineout in the 2nd half? We had them under loads of pressure, then we just stopped - even when in their half. Bizarre.
Anyway, time for a new chapter to be written for these AB's, despite all the gnashing and claims that "this isn't the sport we used to love", the reality is that we will all be here the next time the men in black line up, cheering just as loudly .
I do hope we see some change to the cards system, the 20min red might not be perfect, but surely its a more sensible outcome for anything other than foul play. I'd also like to see time-wasting clamped down on, medics and water runners un-miked, and the TMO only being used to review things at the refs request.
Fuck it, while I'm at it, lets ditch scrum penalties too, they're a lottery and I have no idea why we have decided that having a shit scrum should be a penalisable offense - we don't penalise teams for having a shit lineout. Scrum dominance should mean you have a great platform to attack from, and a weak one should mean shit scrappy ball or a tighthead. A free kick awarded for infringing.
That's enough for me - congrats again SA Ferners - enjoy your day you horrible fluffybunnies!
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@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan yup we have the makings of a world beating team. We need some very aggressive hard hitting locks and 2 straight nutcases on the flanks with Savea.
Razor whispers "Blackadder"
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't drink much and my parents wouldn't let me kick their cat so I went for a run to get out the anger and disappointment. Running in the opposite direction was a guy wearing a Bok jersey. He was a goofy looking mofo (not your Teutonic, beef fed specimen that wins world cups) and despite my bitterness I gave him a salute.
It's what we do.
I bet you wanted to hit him high, no arms, no mitigation....
All I can say is that I was running for alot longer than Sam Cane today...
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan yup we have the makings of a world beating team. We need some very aggressive hard hitting locks and 2 straight nutcases on the flanks with Savea.
Razorhalf the fern whispers "Blackadder"FIFY
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@raznomore said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan yup we have the makings of a world beating team. We need some very aggressive hard hitting locks and 2 straight nutcases on the flanks with Savea.
Razorhalf the fern whispers "Blackadder"FIFY
Are half the ferners originally from Chch? Or do they love Ethan in Poland too?
