RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@Crazy-Horse you mean the 3rd/4th playoff right?
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@Crazy-Horse Justice for Mbonambi armbands?
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Dan54 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stag said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Hooroo so we have become just another one of those teams that don’t care about results between world cups? Don’t thinks so, that’s never been the All Blacks. Win or lose the World Cup that doesn’t change the results over the past 4 years and Foster will still have one one of the worst records as coach of the AB’s. Credit where credits due if Fozz wins the WC, but the AB’s have always been about winning, wether at the World Cup or not, and that aura has been severely diminished under Foster.
You actually got it a bit wrong mate, Foster (as a coach)actually has the best results in competitions since he took over anyway, Won Tri nations, theRugby championships, held the Bledisloe and Freedom cup. This team is only one to do that in professional era under any coach So if results are everything you missing the point. I not arguing one way or another on his ability, just you may need to just redo your argument.
That is totally ignoring context though... in that Tri Nations series, we lost to Argentina and drew with Aussie, only won it because the other two sides weren't all that.
Don't forget that home series loss to Ireland either.
So when Foster wins it's only because the opposition were poo. When the ABs lose, it'll all down to Foster.
Who'd be a coach in a RWC Final eh?
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@akan004 not sure if attending a PC points to selection, or has this been a trend during the WC?
Leaving out the experience of Coles in a final would be a massive call, especially when you take into account the form of both players. I feel Coles has been pretty influential throughout the World Cup and if they go with Tamaiti/Newell off the bench you will need grandad in the middle of them just in case shit starts to hit the fan.
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@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
not sure if attending a PC points to selection, or has this been a trend during the WC?
It has been in the past. However Coles did the press conference last week and then didn't make the 23
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@Duluth said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
not sure if attending a PC points to selection, or has this been a trend during the WC?
It has been in the past. However Coles did the press conference last week and then didn't make the 23
Did he? Ok, then it's not a given.
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@MajorRage no way would I miss the race after all that work. But also would have targeted a different race because of this possibility. The marathon isn't a race you can just defer once you've peaked for a date especially as Auckland is the last one of the year.
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@foobaNZ said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I think they'll swap Coles in for ST on the pine.
Whitelock to bench, Retallick to start.
I'm expecting the same at hooker and I think the plan would've been for BBBR to start.
But, I wonder whether it makes sense vs the Boks to start with Whitelock's lineout skills and finish with Brodie's grunt?
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
But, I wonder whether it makes sense vs the Boks to start with Whitelock's lineout skills and finish with Brodie's grunt?
The coaches have talked Whitelock up as a finisher. They described him as a 'calming influence' when he subs on. So I think they like him being fresh and clear headed to assist Ardie (Cane usually subs off & Savea usually plays the 80)
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@Richie8-7 I'm running the Auckland marathon haha. Gives me motivation to finish quickly I guess.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looks like ST and Tamaiti will be in the 23. Both were at the PC.
From McLoed during this press conference:
When we look at last year in particular, where and how we got beaten, we were tending to ‘defend the man’ system. Ireland were too good last year in being able to put the ball into spaces and play through us A lot of that is coached in Super Rugby in New Zealand and I do know that northern hemisphere sides in particular will target Kiwis who play up here because they know they are going to be man-focused rather than ball-focused, so we had to shift our skillset in the way we looked at things as defenders. So we planted the seed earlier this year with the leaders, got them to work right through the Super and then it got tested early on – throughout all the games we have been tested quite thoroughly on that. However, when the push came to shove, particularly with Ireland who were going to test us the most, it stood up and that was really pleasing. It’s relevant against the South African boys. You don’t need to make as many decisions on the ball but you still need to be able to see where the ball is going and watch the influence on the bodies in front of them. That has probably been the biggest shift for us and we will see if it can hold up again -
@Duluth said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Looks like ST and Tamaiti will be in the 23. Both were at the PC.
From McLoed during this press conference:
When we look at last year in particular, where and how we got beaten, we were tending to ‘defend the man’ system. Ireland were too good last year in being able to put the ball into spaces and play through us A lot of that is coached in Super Rugby in New Zealand and I do know that northern hemisphere sides in particular will target Kiwis who play up here because they know they are going to be man-focused rather than ball-focused, so we had to shift our skillset in the way we looked at things as defenders. So we planted the seed earlier this year with the leaders, got them to work right through the Super and then it got tested early on – throughout all the games we have been tested quite thoroughly on that. However, when the push came to shove, particularly with Ireland who were going to test us the most, it stood up and that was really pleasing. It’s relevant against the South African boys. You don’t need to make as many decisions on the ball but you still need to be able to see where the ball is going and watch the influence on the bodies in front of them. That has probably been the biggest shift for us and we will see if it can hold up againThis is the shift the Crusaders used when Ronan O'Gara came on board with them in 2018, he changed the defensive system to NH system of defending where the ball is going rather than defend the Man.
A few interviews around with O'Gara and Robertson mentioning this but I have not got the time to search them atm. -
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Duluth Brodie or Frizell to play 80 minutes?
Probably Brodie
Shannon subs off relatively early in most games and it's been rare for him to go 80. He did do 80mins last week but dropped off significantly
I think it'll be similar to the subs v Ireland. SF was off at 59mins. Cane went long in that game (75mins) but generally goes of ~65-70mins. That was possibly Canes best ever match so it made sense to go long.. depends on how his legs are in this one
Ardie Savea is amazing when you consider his output and how often he goes 80
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