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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Which loops me back to

    A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.

    There's a reason why the abs are the greatest team ever, so yes

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.

    He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.

    John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Which loops me back to

    A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.

    There's a reason why the abs are the greatest team ever, so yes

    Isn't our historical mean 70%

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    Screenshot_2023-10-21-11-16-49-75_a23b203fd3aafc6dcb84e438dda678b6.jpg

    If ever there was a graphic that summed up AB supporters and our level of delusion it's this

    A guy universally reviled as the worst thing that ever happened to All Black rugby, has a winning percentage in excess of 70%

    Starting with the fact that his appointment was not well received at the time, I think the first series loss to Ireland and the first home loss to Argentina, along with the style of some of his teams' play (helter skelter was a term used a lot on the Fern) only served to hurt his reputation. Along with the assistant coaching firings, and his almost firing before that win in SA, his tenure has been tumultuous most would agree. But his numbers certainly compare more favourably with the greats than perhaps they would have 18 months or so ago

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    @African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life It's not cool in this country to give him and Sam Cane credit.

    in fairness...they didnt get credit when we were loosing or they were injured...because it was undeserved, seen plenty of credit for both in the last 7-10 day because we're winning/playing well...its not rocket surgery

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    Screenshot_2023-10-21-11-16-49-75_a23b203fd3aafc6dcb84e438dda678b6.jpg

    If ever there was a graphic that summed up AB supporters and our level of delusion it's this

    A guy universally reviled as the worst thing that ever happened to All Black rugby, has a winning percentage in excess of 70%

    Compare that to the guys around him though, it is significantly lower... and it is also propped up by the fact he avoided tough games right through 2020 and the start of 2021. No South Africa, then played Fiji and Tonga rather than an England/France etc. in that window. No end of year tour in that first year either.

    Now is not the time to bash Foster, but using these stats to support him is silly.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Which loops me back to

    A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.

    There's a reason why the abs are the greatest team ever, so yes

    Isn't our historical mean 70%

    Actually about 79% (78.88%) basesd on a draw being half a point.

    It was 79.03% immediate prior to Fozzie taking on the job.

    Interestingly, at the end of 1986, when NZ only recognised the IRB member nations as Test matches (with the odd exception) our record was 71.78%.

    Lowest it ever was was 1950 at 65.49%. See graph below.

    Winning Percentage.png

    But I digress ...

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    i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year

    but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking

    assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim

    would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no

    ....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year

    but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking

    assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim

    would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no

    ....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win

    Yeah I pretty much feel the same way.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Which loops me back to

    A poor AB coach is a legend to nearly every other nation on earth.

    There are two ways of looking at that:
    -A poor AB coach is legendary for other nations. They love it because it seldom happens.

    -You'd have to be extremely piss-poor to take the players we have and consistently lose matches. Not even an average coach could do that. It takes exceptional shitness.

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year

    but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking

    assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim

    would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no

    ....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win

    There was no plan. Shit results, gets saved by changing the assistants to two who know what they are doing. He is smug despite all the losses, imagine what he will be like for the rest of eternity-assuming we get 1 more win, in the final.
    Hail, Foster, RWC winning coach extraordinaire, savior of the All Blacks.

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    @Wairau you dont need to tell me...i have more than one rant about him on here

    but the alternative is what? cheer for SA so we can feel justified? fuck SA and fuck that, backing the boys to win and if he gets some praise then thats the price we pay

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    Ian Foster has been disappointing me personally since 2004. I have Facebook memories annually telling me just how much I have been disappointed.
    And yet here I am, 19 years later, able to admit maybe he knows a bit more than I gave him credit for.

    I'm wondering how I'd have reacted in 2003 if I'd been told we're stuck with the bloke for 20 years, no titles, but in 2023 he takes the AB's to a RWC Final, and...?

    Still feels a bit like Stephen Donald territory rather than an underrated coach, but fingers crossed for the weekend - and hopefully history gives us something great to reevaluate.

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    He’s one more win away from a knighthood, just to trigger the anti-Foster mob a little more.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.

    He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.

    John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic

    Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.

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    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:

    He’s one more win away from a knighthood, just to trigger the anti-Foster mob a little more.

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    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.

    He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.

    John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic

    Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.

    At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well

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    Maybe Foster's coaching career is a version of the Mainland cheese advert. Maybe a bit more fitting than the Stephen Donald analogy?

    I have all week to ponder it until Team Naming...

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    @Wairau said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:

    i dislike Fozzie as much or even more than the next bloke, will be happy to see him go and am very much looking forward to a reset next year

    but i cant argue things seem to be, FINALLY, clicking

    assuming this is the plan, fuck around for 4 years making everyone think its all falling apart then switch it on for the knockout games...then he/they are doing well, achieving their aim

    would i have done it like that, solely focus on the RWC? hell no

    ....but...id rather have to concede fozzie knew what he was doing than SA win

    There was no plan. Shit results, gets saved by changing the assistants to two who know what they are doing. He is smug despite all the losses, imagine what he will be like for the rest of eternity-assuming we get 1 more win, in the final.
    Hail, Foster, RWC winning coach extraordinaire, savior of the All Blacks.

    We assume you'll be rooting for the Bokke then?

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