RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean DDA, for all his strengths is not a distributor at 12. Neither is Kriel at 13. Ball rarely gets beyond them , even on a dry track. Bok wings are brilliant kick chasers and broken field runners on turnover ball, but they are rarely, if ever, on the end of structured backline moves.
Boks are married to their kicking gameplan it seems. Unless they have some dry powder waiting to be unleashed.
Bok gameplan is kick and klap. It maul for penalties and maul drive tries. It is applying pressure until their opponent breaks and pouncing on those mistakes. Simple, reduces errors that cost them.
Get in front of them like ABs did against Ireland (13-0), and I don’t know if they will claw it back. They did last night because England posed so little threat on their try line. They did against France because the French couldn’t catch high balls and provided them unstructured turnover ball.
If they are to win, at least make them earn their tries.
https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=596199&league=164205
A wet night, so probably not surprising that neither team played with much adventure, but the player stats make amusing reading for the centres.
They only passed the ball to Jesse Kreil once - and he dropped it (I think I recall that). Otherwise made three tackles and missed one.
Marchant got the ball once - apparently ran for 6 metres and got turned over. Made two tackles.
Neither fullback had to make a tackle. Willemse topped the Bok run metres with 27.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean DDA, for all his strengths is not a distributor at 12. Neither is Kriel at 13. Ball rarely gets beyond them , even on a dry track. Bok wings are brilliant kick chasers and broken field runners on turnover ball, but they are rarely, if ever, on the end of structured backline moves.
Boks are married to their kicking gameplan it seems. Unless they have some dry powder waiting to be unleashed.
Bok gameplan is kick and klap. It maul for penalties and maul drive tries. It is applying pressure until their opponent breaks and pouncing on those mistakes. Simple, reduces errors that cost them.
Get in front of them like ABs did against Ireland (13-0), and I don’t know if they will claw it back. They did last night because England posed so little threat on their try line. They did against France because the French couldn’t catch high balls and provided them unstructured turnover ball.
If they are to win, at least make them earn their tries.
https://www.espn.com/rugby/playerstats?gameId=596199&league=164205
A wet night, so probably not surprising that neither team played with much adventure, but the player stats make amusing reading for the centres.
They only passed the ball to Jesse Kreil once - and he dropped it (I think I recall that). Otherwise made three tackles and missed one.
Marchant got the ball once - apparently ran for 6 metres and got turned over. Made two tackles.
Neither fullback had to make a tackle. Willemse topped the Bok run metres with 27.
i remember at the 70th minute mark they put up the kicks from hand stat. 67.
67 kicks in 70 minutes of clock time. Considering "ball in play" is usually less than half of clock time, that's like 2 kicks a minute of actual play. Crazy game.
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@mariner4life Yeah - the match stats at ESPN report that.
41 kicks from England 29 from Boks = 70
Total passes England 78 Boks 67 = 145 (82 were by the halfbacks) - 63 by people not halfbacks - probably lots from the base of rucks!
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
i remember at the 70th minute mark they put up the kicks from hand stat. 67.
67 kicks in 70 minutes of clock time. Considering "ball in play" is usually less than half of clock time, that's like 2 kicks a minute of actual play. Crazy game.
"One for the purists".
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@antipodean although didn't William Webb-Ellis pick the ball up to run with it and not have to kick it 😉
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean although didn't William Webb-Ellis pick the ball up to run with it and not have to kick it 😉
Based on Saturday's effort, ALB would be pretty pleased he did - don't think Man City will be knocking on his door anytime soon.
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@Hooroo so we have become just another one of those teams that don’t care about results between world cups? Don’t thinks so, that’s never been the All Blacks. Win or lose the World Cup that doesn’t change the results over the past 4 years and Foster will still have one one of the worst records as coach of the AB’s. Credit where credits due if Fozz wins the WC, but the AB’s have always been about winning, wether at the World Cup or not, and that aura has been severely diminished under Foster.
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life Yeah - the match stats at ESPN report that.
41 kicks from England 29 from Boks = 70
Total passes England 78 Boks 67 = 145 (82 were by the halfbacks) - 63 by people not halfbacks - probably lots from the base of rucks!
I think half of those England passes came in the final 3 minutes when they were actually forced to hold onto the ball!
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seeing so many people mention there is even a chance this will be considered one of the best RWC make me realise how disconnected ive become
I was in the UK in 2007 and NZ for all the others, i kind of felt this one was....meh...but realise that might largely because im in Aus...where almost no one cares, even around the rugby club, group chat gets some traffic but thats it
anyway, no changes, have to back the guys that have gone through the knockout games i think, as much as i know that means sticking with christie, the team is clicking more than ive seen in 4-5 years so have to go with it
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It’s only Monday,
Jezz it’s going to be a slow week
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It’s only Monday,
Jezz it’s going to be a slow week
I'm feeling pretty relaxed, before the tourney was prepared for the fact we'd be home by now. In hindsight, we gave the Boks nothing in that Twickenham game, any new tactics we plan to use will be news to them
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m trying to tell myself that we’ve overachieved against expectations already and should be happy with 2nd.
But fuck that, it’s a RWC Final, and it’s the Boks, we can’t let them get to 4 ahead of us, this means everything!!!
How good is sport eh?
i want to feel that way....but i cant stand the thought of SA winning, first to 4th win, all the stuff about leaving super rugby etc...i could have lived with almost anyone else as "someone new" etc....we need to win
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nah fuck coming second , lets win
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
On the rivalry thing ,
The ABs v Boks is unique imo , due to the respect,
Most rivalries involve hatred
Amen kiwi, a quite unique rivalry I think.
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On the question of best WC ever, I another who has found it a little flat?
I think QFs weekend probably close to best weekend of rugby I can rember, and obviously stoked with how well ABs are going.
I do find I have struggled most of WC to find it better then the NPC, for me anyway. -
I'd be OK (well less aggrieved) losing the final to France, but will be mega pissed off if we lose to SA. Normally I have great respect for the old foe, but I can't stand the current version. What really fůcks me off is the visible distain their medics and runners show to the officials. It's an ugly blight on the game.
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@Stag said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Hooroo so we have become just another one of those teams that don’t care about results between world cups? Don’t thinks so, that’s never been the All Blacks. Win or lose the World Cup that doesn’t change the results over the past 4 years and Foster will still have one one of the worst records as coach of the AB’s. Credit where credits due if Fozz wins the WC, but the AB’s have always been about winning, wether at the World Cup or not, and that aura has been severely diminished under Foster.
Good enough for me as I’m not sensitive about Mickey Mouse results of a tired competition.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
It’s only Monday,
Jezz it’s going to be a slow week
I'll be naming my team on Tuesday at 1pm NZT. I would normally name it today but there's an additional day. Exciting times
