RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay
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Dunno,
I am sure Fozzie is planning wholesale change for the semi final so we are fresh for the final!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@booboo
T. Williams
C. Taylor
F. Newell
S. Whitelock
S. Barrett
E. Blackadder
T. Chief
T. Cane
T. Lander
R. Mo’unga
L. Fainga’anuku
J. Barrett
T. Blue
W. Jordan
T. NakiJB is a Crusader Black? You are slipping!
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@booboo
T. Williams
C. Taylor
F. Newell
S. Whitelock
S. Barrett
E. Blackadder
T. Chief
T. Cane
T. Lander
R. Mo’unga
L. Fainga’anuku
J. Barrett
T. Blue
W. Jordan
T. NakiJB is a Crusader Black? You are slipping!
He’s played for the mighty Canterbury so he’s in
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@Kiwiwomble said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@antipodean not quite, i think a good coach would have had more or less a performing first string a long time ago so that he could keep them sharpe whilst developing the "reserves", as it is the first string has misfired so much over the last few years he's had to keep twerking that and playing people like BB he is hoping will just "come right"
We are where we are and Foster and the coaching team are managing things and selecting players with a focus on the next 2-4 games.
I really don't think there's any point in choosing a side for Uruguay on the basis of what Foster should or shouldn't have done 2 or 3 years ago
not sure thats what i was suggesting, all i was saying is he is at least partially responsible in the drop off from first to second string IMO not appearing to have done much to actually make anyone any better
As ive said, this is pretty much the team i would have picked because i think we're past the point of being able to build a battle hardened 23 that can shrug off niggles and keep going, we're not the 2015 Highlanders where they ran out onto the final after flying to Dunedin > SA > Dunedin > Sydney > Wellington in the preceding weeks and ran out looking like mummies covered in so much tape, i dont think we have Richie type energy playing with a broken foot
so for me i don't think one more run out of the top team against uruguay would wold provide benefit outweighing the the chance of injury or cards
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
this is fucking ridiculous
the top side played week 1
The top side played last weekend.The top side played 3 games straight to start the season. It is not like they are meeting in teh carpark
Of our starting front row next week, two are starting, the other is suspended (so this might be our starting front row next week)
Of our starting locks, one has carried a big minute burden, and thus is off the bench, the other is returning from a long injury so needs to be managed
Of our starting loose forwards, two are starting, the other has played every minute so far and needs a rest
Our starting 9 is getting a well deserved rest, and the boom youngster everyone wants to play more is starting
Our starting 10 is playing
Our starting 12 is playing
Our starting centre is getting a rest after playing most games this year. The guy who will be off the bench next week is starting
Our starting 14 is playing, the starting 11 gets rotated but wings are plug and play
Our starting 15 is on the bench, with the guy who will play off the bench starting.16 guys playing will be in the 23 next week. 12 of the starting 15. It's not like we have wheeled out the dirt trackers here
Yeah nah. How many of those tests have they played collectively as a unit in succession? Then you wonder why Fosters record is so poor.
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you "anything Foster does sucks" blokes need to get your stories straight
Either he played his top team too often because he needed wins, and didn't develop anyone else because of it
Or he hasn't played his top team enough and fucked up their cohesion
The thing that gets lost in all of this is, Super Rugby, literally the only option available to get guys on the field, ended 15 weeks ago. Basically a third of the year.
Regardless of the name of the AB coach, he is presented with a dilemma. Play the top side enough to get everyone gelled, but also give everyone in the squad a run to ensure they don't go stagnant after having most of the year not playing rugby.It is one of the biggest challenges the AB coach faces. The complete lack of any other game time alternatives for the ABs July - November season. The Northern sides have their guys playing club, then take them out for short international windows, then send them back to club land. Our guys spend 5 months in AB camp.
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Foster could have bought more time to develop depth by winning. He ran out of time last year after all those losses yet continued to change the team.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Foster could have bought more time to develop depth by winning. He ran out of time last year after all those losses yet continued to change the team.
wait, can you say that again
Foster could have bought the grace time to make changes and develop depth by winning. But instead, because he lost a few, he made changes to develop depth?
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Those videos circulating of the 118kg Blackadder in France, he doesn't look that much bigger, does he? At least it doesn't look like surplus bulk.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
Foster could have bought more time to develop depth by winning. He ran out of time last year after all those losses yet continued to change the team.
So it's Foster's fault he didn't develop depth because he lost a few, but it's also his fault as he changed a losing team. Thanks for clarifying that.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman Irish are vulnerable at TH because they have to play Furlong deep into game and by 55 he’ll be pretty knackered.
Haha, one of the funniest ones I’ve read for a while. Furlong could easily go 80.
Ground control to Major Tadhg:
(see 4.57)That was after only 62.
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@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman Irish are vulnerable at TH because they have to play Furlong deep into game and by 55 he’ll be pretty knackered.
Haha, one of the funniest ones I’ve read for a while. Furlong could easily go 80.
Ground control to Major Tadhg:
(see 4.57)That was after only 62.
Wrong call from BOK
Boring in
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
you "anything Foster does sucks" blokes need to get your stories straight
Either he played his top team too often because he needed wins, and didn't develop anyone else because of it
Or he hasn't played his top team enough and fucked up their cohesion
It actually is kinda both I think.
He didn't give opportunities last year because he needed wins - he played what he thought was the top team. That was a very conservatively selected side with older "proven" guys, not the best players available on form: he would have kept playing the older props if injury hadn't forced his hand. He did keep playing Taylor over Samisoni. The midfield he would have stuck with for longer if not for injury fixing it for him too. He developed fuck-all except where injury forced his hand. That non-development has hamstrung us this year.
This year still conservative: Christie unjustifiably in the top 23 on form but picked in the top team, hence slow on giving Roigard opportunities. Now not enough time to nail down combinations.
He should have benched Beauden long ago and given Jordan/Mckenzie opportunities, but now it would be very risky - even off the bench Mckenzie is only now getting a run.
He completely wasted the Dunners match by picking a wholesale B team - which neither plays the top team to develop cohesion or develops anyone else. It smacked of giving everyone a run like in primary school.
The WC games are spread out. The warm-up games and the RC too. Guys could legitimately play pretty much all of them, so the core of that A team should, because combinations matter. Change 2-3 guys per game, and use that plus the bench options to build potential combinations in injury scenarios etc. We should have seen an A team with Mckenzie at 10. An A team with Roigard at 9.Having said all that, it's Uruguay and it's not the worst selection - just a few more changes than I'd like and I would have preferred Savea, Ioane, S Barrett to have their rest earlier and play this one for momentum. I see no point in playing Jacobsen in this one when they clearly don't trust him in a big game - Ethan the Saviour should be starting if they're considering using him as bench cover. And Samisoni needs some rugby.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
@pakman Irish are vulnerable at TH because they have to play Furlong deep into game and by 55 he’ll be pretty knackered.
Haha, one of the funniest ones I’ve read for a while. Furlong could easily go 80.
Ground control to Major Tadhg:
(see 4.57)That was after only 62.
Wrong call from BOK
Boring in
In fact, the Boks initially push straight with Bongi putting huge pressure on Irish hooker. As a result, Irish TH lock slips off Tardis and he twists left, at which point Ox bores in and finishes him off.
Wouldn't have happened with starting TH lock and fresh Tadhg.
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@reprobate said in RWC Week 5: All Blacks v Uruguay:
This year still conservative: Christie unjustifiably in the top 23 on form but picked in the top team, hence slow on giving Roigard opportunities.
Roigard was selected on form and made his debut in the third of those games in a key Test (Bledisloe opener) and will have played in the majority of AB games this year (5/9). He's starting tomorrow against Uruguay to give him experience with the preferred Test 10 leading up to the knock-out stage.
I think it's a bit ridiculous to say Foster has been slow to give Roigard opportunities.
