RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia
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@frugby said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
If Aaron smith wasn’t called Aaron smith and his rugby skills were inserted onto another body (not called Aaron smith) for the last year.
Would Roigard start over that player
Nope. Smith brings unrivalled speed and accuracy of pass, which the All Blacks main gameplan is built around.
One could argue that gameplan has shown to have a few flaws and that we need some variation from halfback….
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A good lawyer can make that tackle technique view inadmissible.
His left arm wrapped and his right arm couldn’t, due to tackled player being tackled by another AB, meaning he was falling far quicker into poor unsuspecting Ethan De Groot which meant he couldn’t wrap his right arm in time.
Justice for De Groot!!
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@frugby said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
If Aaron smith wasn’t called Aaron smith and his rugby skills were inserted onto another body (not called Aaron smith) for the last year.
Would Roigard start over that player
Nope. Smith brings unrivalled speed and accuracy of pass, which the All Blacks main gameplan is built around.
One could argue that gameplan has shown to have a few flaws and that we need some variation from halfback….
As ever, when our forwards act like AB forwards and win clean quick ball, the gameplan looks great.
Unfortunately we can’t rely on our forwards to do that against the top sides.
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@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@frugby said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Yeahtheboys said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
If Aaron smith wasn’t called Aaron smith and his rugby skills were inserted onto another body (not called Aaron smith) for the last year.
Would Roigard start over that player
Nope. Smith brings unrivalled speed and accuracy of pass, which the All Blacks main gameplan is built around.
One could argue that gameplan has shown to have a few flaws and that we need some variation from halfback….
As ever, when our forwards act like AB forwards and win clean quick ball, the gameplan looks great.
Unfortunately we can’t rely on our forwards to do that against the top sides.
I feeling a little uneasy with Sam W's game at moment, he looking a little tired or something. Might be my imagination. But we certainly missing some grunt on the cart etc anyway, to be honest apart from Frizzel at times, I don't recall really seeing to much hard close in carrying from a loosie in NZ for quite sometime at any level. And I will add in Papali'i we don't have a 7 that makes hard tackles that seems to get teams going forward?
I was and still am quite keen on Ryan as forwards coach, but had hoped he would maybe have got them playing a bit more physical?
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@Dan54 I agree. You have to think how much does a WC in 2023 mean for some of these older guys, who have already been there and won a WC. Mentioned in the ABs v France thread how both locks look spent, but who the hell would we replace either of them with?
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@Jailbreak7 some of the ones we have developed the past 5 years knowing they would be in the twilight of their careers, like we did with Smith...
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@Jailbreak7 I actually thought when watching French game, Sam W reminded me a little of how he looked at 2019 WC, where he looked tired or something.
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@Jailbreak7 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Dan54 I agree. You have to think how much does a WC in 2023 mean for some of these older guys, who have already been there and won a WC. Mentioned in the ABs v France thread how both locks look spent, but who the hell would we replace either of them with?
I think the real question is what has happened to the forwards since the first two games of this years RC?
Either Cane and Frizzell are absolutely key to success or something has gone badly wrong in tactics, training or attitude in the last 3-4 games.
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We had half of our starting pack unavailable for that french match.
Frizzel, Lomax, Cane and BBBR. And we then played Vaai at 6.
But I agree with your point - what has changed from 2 months ago?
Maybe the teams we played were underdone but I can’t see how we were so far ahead of them as we had only been together for 10 or so days before playing Argentina.
Maybe we have repeated our ‘99 year where after a bad year previously, we had to prove a point straight away against teams that were building for the World Cup and we played our best rugby before the RWC started?
Maybe this squad isn’t drilled hard enough and it shows through the lack of discipline and lack of consistency?
We can speculate all we like but the fact is this side is capable of playing great rugby but it feels as though they will die wondering in this World cup
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@akan004 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discipline is still a massive worry. 12 penalties conceded against a poor side like Namibia is a terrible stat.
Not sure why this continues to be an issue. Perhaps the coaches are far too nice and the players don't fear them. Drop serial offenders for a game and I bet they don't do it again. Whatever it is they better fix it fast.
Because foster thinks their discipline is fine, even good
“We knew people expected us to win, and sometimes those games can get loose on you and you can start searching for stuff. I liked the discipline. It came off the platform of doing some basic stuff consistently well up front.
12 penalties to 7, and a red card versus tier 3 side is pleasing discipline in the foster zone
The same article mentioned David Havili was a “bright spark” in midfield.
Against a team with a World Cup 259 points for 1388 against record…..21 games without a win but a weather effected draw with Canada in 2019.
Yeah, I didn't talk about the ridiculous opinions in the article, I just quoted Foster directly. He thought the midfield 'grew into the game' - ie once Ioane was on it improved
Except for that amazing pass to grass 15m out from our line
But the starting midfield was average. Nothing glaringly bad, just nothing good given the level of opposition. If you can't shine in this game you are doing nothing against Ireland
I have been one of the bigger ALB fans on this board, but he's evolved in to Aaron Mauger, good in theory, not in practice
No one in the NH is offering bang average megabucks. Only NZR believe he is a once in a generation talent so he is earning way more here than he could overseas.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
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@DaGrubster said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Maybe this squad isn’t drilled hard enough and it shows through the lack of discipline and lack of consistency?
We can speculate all we like but the fact is this side is capable of playing great rugby but it feels as though they will die wondering in this World cup
I'm hoping we're treating the build-up like Super rugby - you don't want to be peaking three weeks out from the play-offs - building slowly AND doing enough to win.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
I missed this game where he played 8, greedy but athletic bugger with concentration problems but opportunistic speed, IMO; I always thought with a bit more muscle and those long arms he'd make an interesting 8.
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@tubbyj yeah it seems we keep picking guys for how we think the game should be played, high pace without a big bruiser defending the blind and big ball carrier at 8, instead we have several players who aren't quite a 6, or a 7 or an 8, but we throw them together and the this means we rely heavily on our tight 5, and we have played our best ball carrying fatty out of form, we get little from our props, putting a massive load on BR, SW and SB.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MN5 said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
What playing at lock? Super rugby forces potential test No 6s to play lock where they are then told they are too small and not good enough for test rugby. Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
So instead of Fifitta, Luatua, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Dominic Gardiner, or Cameron Suafoa being developed as test 6s they are picked as Super rugby locks and don't develop as looseforwards miss the big All Black salaries and eventually take the bigger money on offer overseas.
Fifita had enough freak athleticism that I wished they had persisted with him more.
I missed this game where he played 8, greedy but athletic bugger with concentration problems but opportunistic speed, IMO; I always thought with a bit more muscle and those long arms he'd make an interesting 8.
He looks to have more than enough, that was a very good try he got.
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@Stargazer roll them dice 🎲
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@tubbyj said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 2: All Blacks v Namibia:
Discarded / surplus to requirements for a lot of those players tbf
Fifita had multiple chances.
Running bigger packs off their feet with hybrid 7s playing in every loose forward position works in Super rugby but not in test rugby.
The Jason Holland philosophy... didn't work against teams not named Crusaders, Chiefs, Blues, Brumbies. So not entirely successful at Super Rugby level is it? Unless you are playing the comparatively unfit & poorly conditioned Australian teams.
