RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow Gatland loves Cane. That should speak volumes to a Welshman
He also loves Lydiate, who in his time was the dogs bollocks
Lydiate will maybe play against Portugal and Georgia but he won't get near the big game 23s unless we have a raft of injuries and/or suspensions
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@MiketheSnow But did he didn't make Lydiate his captain in this squad. Whereas he did make Cane captain of his Chiefs (albeit in 2000)
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The one key stat that explains why France won
STATISTICAL ANALYSES: Hosts France made a clear statement of intent, with a very 'miserly' approach to the game.
"Key to France’s success was the fact that they conceded the fewest penalties in the opening round of the tournament – with just five - half their best tally across the warm-up matches.
In start contrast, the All Blacks gave away 13 penalties on attack alone.
New Zealand were ranked fourth overall for defenders beaten with 32 – wing Mark Talea topping individual rankings with 11 defenders beaten – and fifth for metres made with 629, but they were unable to translate those numbers on the scoreboard.
France made five more offloads than their highest total during their four games in the World Cup warm-up matches.
France made eight dominant tackles to New Zealand’s three, representing New Zealand’s lowest dominant tackle count across the warm-up matches.
The game also produced highest ball in play time that France endured in all their warm-up matches – nearly 32 minutes.
France dominated territory with 61 percent, 14 percent higher than their average during the warm-up matches and the most of any single game.
France kicked on 76 percent of their possession – they didn’t reach higher than 61 percent during the warm-up matches. Their 44 kicks in total was also their highest across that period with an average previously of 25 per game.
France conceded only one penalty in attack, proving efficiency with the ball – with only two teams across all the warm-up matches conceded fewer.
In contrast, the All Blacks conceded one penalty fewer than their loss against South Africa, but it included the most penalties they have conceded in attack."
Better cohesion needed between ball carrier and cleaners. That should be right up Joe Schmidt's street.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow But did he didn't make Lydiate his captain in this squad. Whereas he did make Cane captain of his Chiefs (albeit in 2000)
Better candidates in this Welsh squad
Obviously not in that Chiefs squad
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You guys have a pretty good pack overall, but missing in glaring places, which affects the balance.
IMO opinion and based on my experience as a fairly poor player over a number of seasons.
You have a great 7 (Savea), two bloody good 6s (Cane and Barret), one good lock (Barrett) and no real 8. This requires shoehorning players into not there best positions to make a competitive pack.
I can't believe that in NZ there is not the cattle to put a better balance as an option, but to be fair I do not follow SR or NPC. All I know is that the current selection and dependency on ageing old warriors is reminiscent of England circa 1932 - 2023.
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@Catogrande If only Barret could play 6 and lock at the same time. Problem solved
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Catogrande If only Barret could play 6 and lock at the same time. Problem solved
Wouldn't that just lead to 2x the cards?
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Catogrande If only Barret could play 6 and lock at the same time. Problem solved
We'd still need a number 8
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@stodders said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Catogrande If only Barret could play 6 and lock at the same time. Problem solved
We'd still need a number 8
If only Sotutu's form hadn't fallen off a cliff playing for the coaching donkey McDonald.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble yeah I wonder what the rationale was behind him not contesting them in the air, assume they were hoping he'd get the man on the ground and force them to play inside thier half, was just odd to restrict a weapon like that.
i kind of thought he was just going to take the ball on the full at top speed and smoker everyone....ignorant of the player jumping over him which for me was his mistake rather than timing
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks:
Spiro Zavos on the roar is right on the money about the abs
Hilarious nonsense. He's calling for Ardie to play openside for the All Blacks, despite the fact he doesn't even play that position in SR and hasn't for years. Quoting Spiro makes any argument ridiculous.
Perhaps there’s an alternate view that Savea can and does play 8 in SR because it’s not Test Rugby
Unfortunately the RWC is Test rugby, not SR.
That was exactly my point
For Test rugby
Nasty bastard at 6
Big lump at 8
Ardie at 7You haven't found players who can fill those 6 a7 tnd 8 positions consistently hence having to play Ardie at 8
you might be right but it seems to me they choose Ardie at 8 and Cane at 7 then the 6, Ardie no longer plays 7 (or wants to?) so they aren't putting him there at 8 because they can't find a 6 and 8. They play him at 8 because he plays/wants to play at 8.
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lol so some NZ scribes not afraid to say how they really feel
New Zealand is accepting of the defeat from schoolboy-like All Blacks
I think under coach Ian Foster’s tenure we’ve become accustomed to defeat. We don’t necessarily accept it, but we expect it.
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@bayimports plenty of comments could have been lifted from here.
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@taniwharugby absolutely, felt like I was re-reading the thread, just you don't often hear that from our rugby scribes
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I decided to re-watch this game to have a closer look at the lineouts. As per previous comments about not using Vaa'i as a lineout target, he was used as a lifter with one of the locks to lift the other lock. Examples being the first lineout of the game, and the lineout after Mo'unga made the try-saving tackle on Penaud. That pod worked well because of the extra height of the lifters. What was of more concern was how little the ABs challenged the French lineout. On one of the few occasions we did, the French lost the ball.
Christie wasn't the only ginga who had a shocker. Newell made de Groot look co-ordinated trying to roll away from a tackle. Zero impact.
Beauden actually played well for 60 mins until he and Mo'unga thought that the best option when chasing the game was to kick the ball away.
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