RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji
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Had to go radio silence otherwise I would have been banned
Was on a lovely little buzz until the 60th minute where Wales were comfortably in charge of the match
Watched the match in Cardiff Rugby Club and it was a great atmosphere
Last 20 minutes felt like I’d been in / witnessed an accident and I sobered up pretty quickly
Thrilling, infuriating, exhausting
After walking the dog I opened up a bottle of red and watched it again
Carley was absolutely atrocious and should be stood down
Not the required standard for the RWC
Despite his inadequacies Fiji still had the opportunity to win the match but blew it
That’s not Carley’s fault
Should Elias have been YCarded and Fiji awarded a Penalty Try?
Yes
Should Biggar have been YCarded?
Yes
However, prior to Biggar’s offside the Fijians had dummied a tap & go and Carley had called them back and said you can’t dummy and move players
They retook it and did the same thing and Carley waved play on
Penalty Wales
What no one has talked about and no one has criticised is that prior to both Fiji’s 3rd and 4th tries the Fijian hooker popped out of the scrum
That’s an automatic penalty to Wales negating both Fijian tries
We’re Fiji hard done by?
YesBut so too were Wales
Great game of rugby
Better side just won -
Going forward, our best team for the Australia match would be
Dee to start, same props
Jenkins into second row to partner Rowlands
Same back row
Faletau just needs to get match fitTorn over Davies and Tomos
I think Davies is in better form
So do you start him or finish with him?Rest of the backs the same
After initial concern about Tompkins against their monsters he went well
He’s integral to us scoring tries -
@ARHS said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Just watched this. Absolutely disgusted by the inconsistent and error-ridden display by the officials that ruined this match.
Fair play to Wales for playing the ref and bitching at everything. It clearly makes a huge difference. Amazing that a clear tackle headshot by Biggar was waved past given the scrutiny of Fiji.The only upside is that it wasn't the AB's on the receiving end this time around.
He is scheduled to handle the NZ Italy game.
I hate it when people bitch about the Ref, because so rarely are they the difference. But he was the difference.
Wales will probably cop some shit with their very clever game management and cynical penalties. But they don't deserve it they are under the pump at home too and they did what they needed to win. Carley letting them do it is total and utter incompetency and shows he doesn't command the necessary authority to ref a game at this level.
I am sorry but when you have warned a team to restart and they slow walk back to the half way. Stopping the clock is not acceptable. That behaviour needs dealing with. Then when they do it a second time to say nothing you are letting the teams walk all over you.
Hi performance was so bad it made me post after 6 years of lurking on this site. Unreal!
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@mooshld said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@ARHS said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Just watched this. Absolutely disgusted by the inconsistent and error-ridden display by the officials that ruined this match.
Fair play to Wales for playing the ref and bitching at everything. It clearly makes a huge difference. Amazing that a clear tackle headshot by Biggar was waved past given the scrutiny of Fiji.The only upside is that it wasn't the AB's on the receiving end this time around.
He is scheduled to handle the NZ Italy game.
I hate it when people bitch about the Ref, because so rarely are they the difference. But he was the difference.
Wales will probably cop some shit with their very clever game management and cynical penalties. But they don't deserve it they are under the pump at home too and they did what they needed to win. Carley letting them do it is total and utter incompetency and shows he doesn't command the necessary authority to ref a game at this level.
I am sorry but when you have warned a team to restart and they slow walk back to the half way. Stopping the clock is not acceptable. That behaviour needs dealing with. Then when they do it a second time to say nothing you are letting the teams walk all over you.
Hi performance was so bad it made me post after 6 years of lurking on this site. Unreal!
I think he was scared about “deciding” the match. But by doing nothing he ended up probably deciding the match. Penalty on halfway to Fiji for walking back at snails pace. The worst though was the total lack of YC for repetitive infringing in the red zone. All refs make mistakes. But not giving a YC is not a mistake as there is no in-action decision to give (was it a forward pass, was it a knock on etc). He blows penalty then he can put his hand in his pocket. I think he will get the games he is already allocated then we won’t see him again.
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@Billy-Tell ABs will be nervous then.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@mooshld said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@ARHS said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Just watched this. Absolutely disgusted by the inconsistent and error-ridden display by the officials that ruined this match.
Fair play to Wales for playing the ref and bitching at everything. It clearly makes a huge difference. Amazing that a clear tackle headshot by Biggar was waved past given the scrutiny of Fiji.The only upside is that it wasn't the AB's on the receiving end this time around.
He is scheduled to handle the NZ Italy game.
I hate it when people bitch about the Ref, because so rarely are they the difference. But he was the difference.
Wales will probably cop some shit with their very clever game management and cynical penalties. But they don't deserve it they are under the pump at home too and they did what they needed to win. Carley letting them do it is total and utter incompetency and shows he doesn't command the necessary authority to ref a game at this level.
I am sorry but when you have warned a team to restart and they slow walk back to the half way. Stopping the clock is not acceptable. That behaviour needs dealing with. Then when they do it a second time to say nothing you are letting the teams walk all over you.
Hi performance was so bad it made me post after 6 years of lurking on this site. Unreal!
I think he was scared about “deciding” the match. But by doing nothing he ended up probably deciding the match. Penalty on halfway to Fiji for walking back at snails pace. The worst though was the total lack of YC for repetitive infringing in the red zone. All refs make mistakes. But not giving a YC is not a mistake as there is no in-action decision to give (was it a forward pass, was it a knock on etc). He blows penalty then he can put his hand in his pocket. I think he will get the games he is already allocated then we won’t see him again.
Yes the lack of cards then the immediate card for Fiji were very bad, and you are probably right. When he blew up the Fijian scrum trundling towards the line as the Welsh disintegrated I would have bet anything in the world it was for a penalty try. But nope, no advantage nothing, not even an explication for why he stopped them from just walking it over.
I would say his match review will be a blood bath.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@Billy-Tell ABs will be nervous then.
Italy should be the nervous ones, they're the "tier two" team in that match. But he shouldn't get it as he doesn't deserve it.
I don't buy that he was scared. If Fiji had done that, he would've FKd them immediately.
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On field decision is a try. Any reason I can’t award the try?
No you can award the try.
Cheers mate. No try double movement.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@mooshld said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@ARHS said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Just watched this. Absolutely disgusted by the inconsistent and error-ridden display by the officials that ruined this match.
Fair play to Wales for playing the ref and bitching at everything. It clearly makes a huge difference. Amazing that a clear tackle headshot by Biggar was waved past given the scrutiny of Fiji.The only upside is that it wasn't the AB's on the receiving end this time around.
He is scheduled to handle the NZ Italy game.
I hate it when people bitch about the Ref, because so rarely are they the difference. But he was the difference.
Wales will probably cop some shit with their very clever game management and cynical penalties. But they don't deserve it they are under the pump at home too and they did what they needed to win. Carley letting them do it is total and utter incompetency and shows he doesn't command the necessary authority to ref a game at this level.
I am sorry but when you have warned a team to restart and they slow walk back to the half way. Stopping the clock is not acceptable. That behaviour needs dealing with. Then when they do it a second time to say nothing you are letting the teams walk all over you.
Hi performance was so bad it made me post after 6 years of lurking on this site. Unreal!
I think he was scared about “deciding” the match. But by doing nothing he ended up probably deciding the match. Penalty on halfway to Fiji for walking back at snails pace. The worst though was the total lack of YC for repetitive infringing in the red zone. All refs make mistakes. But not giving a YC is not a mistake as there is no in-action decision to give (was it a forward pass, was it a knock on etc). He blows penalty then he can put his hand in his pocket. I think he will get the games he is already allocated then we won’t see him again.
Despite the fact that it's on TSF, I think this analysis is probably very accurate
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
On field decision is a try. Any reason I can’t award the try?
No you can award the try.
Cheers mate. No try double movement.
But if the ref sees an infringement on the replay - even if the TMO doesn't - isn't he right to disallow it?
(Not saying that the double movement was the right call, just questioning the protocol)
ETA: please don't mistake this for a defence of the shitshow of a refing performance in general
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Not criticizing Wales, but I can't make up my mind if Wales won by being better at playing the Ref or because Carley was better at reffing Wales.
Honestly, it wasn't just incompetent, it was so bad and blatantly one-sided that it needs serious looking at.
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
On field decision is a try. Any reason I can’t award the try?
No you can award the try.
Cheers mate. No try double movement.
But if the ref sees an infringement on the replay - even if the TMO doesn't - isn't he right to disallow it?
(Not saying that the double movement was the right call, just questioning the protocol)
ETA: please don't mistake this for a defence of the shitshow of a refing performance in general
Yes of course. But did anyone actually see a clear double movement? There may have been one but it was hardly like a stone cold knock on.
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Wales at times played very well. And they certainly had more street smarts.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Not criticizing Wales, but I can't make up my mind if Wales won by being better at playing the Ref or because Carley was better at reffing Wales.
Honestly, it wasn't just incompetent, it was so bad and blatantly one-sided that it needs serious looking at.
Combination of everything tbh
I honestly don't think he was cheating. He's just not up to the intensity and significance of a match like this
But it wasn't one way traffic
See my earlier post, two of Fiji's four tries should not have happened
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Wales at times played very well. And they certainly had more street smarts.
We controlled proceedings and should have put the game to bed in the third stanza (40-60 mins)
That's when Gatland's plan was working really well
Unfortunately we played some really dumb rugby at the death to keep Fiji in it
But it's a massive improvement on our 6N and Summer Warm Up form
I honestly believe we can top this Pool
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Not criticizing Wales, but I can't make up my mind if Wales won by being better at playing the Ref or because Carley was better at reffing Wales.
Honestly, it wasn't just incompetent, it was so bad and blatantly one-sided that it needs serious looking at.
Combination of everything tbh
I honestly don't think he was cheating. He's just not up to the intensity and significance of a match like this
But it wasn't one way traffic
See my earlier post, two of Fiji's four tries should not have happened
Mistakes I get and accept. That includes the disallowed Fiji try.
Wales being allowed 4-5 penalties in front of their line without a YC while Fiji get a YC after 2 penalties (one near the 22 IIRC) I don't.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 1: Wales v Fiji:
Not criticizing Wales, but I can't make up my mind if Wales won by being better at playing the Ref or because Carley was better at reffing Wales.
Honestly, it wasn't just incompetent, it was so bad and blatantly one-sided that it needs serious looking at.
Combination of everything tbh
I honestly don't think he was cheating. He's just not up to the intensity and significance of a match like this
But it wasn't one way traffic
See my earlier post, two of Fiji's four tries should not have happened
Mistakes I get and accept. That includes the disallowed Fiji try.
Wales being allowed 4-5 penalties in front of their line without a YC while Fiji get a YC after 2 penalties (one near the 22 IIRC) I don't.
Agreed. He shit the bed
As he did with Domachowski's YC
Infringement? Yes
Penalty? Yes
YC? On half way with no discernible advantage to Fiji then noHe flashed the card to make up for his earlier YC against Fiji
