RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@antipodean No one is denying we may have a drop in player quality but there is not alot can be done about that. We can do something about the coaching by ensuring (and as fans insisting) we have the best candidates possible in these roles.
Regardless our player quality which is not Italy, Scotland, Wales levels (we are still in the top tier) we should not be losing in the humiliating style we are.
I think most All Black fans can handle losing and not being No1 but what we hate is looking clueless and inept.
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I'm really pissed off. Leaderless. Bone headed. Brainless. No plan A, B, or C. No team spirit, no team. Worst team for as long as I can remember. Utterly dire. Where are the forwards? Whitelock is like someone's Nan, Retallick was past it three years ago. Both have given their all but are now spent. Why do we persist in trying to run out from the 22 every bloody time. Kick the ball away with moments to go. Tactically inept. Any chance we can play field position rather than trying to win the game from our own 22. Ultimately nowhere near good enough and zero smarts. The sooner this farce ends the better IMO. Just bloody embarassing. Infringement after infringement. We look like Dinosaurs. Take a bow Foster, ****** us in less than 5 years. Please leave.
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Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
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I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
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@Joans-Town-Jones Much better than our tactics.
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@KiwiMurph exactly my point. France essentially did the same to us. Mistake after mistake, maybe should have gone for the try instead of a kick for goal but France really didn't play anything from inside their own half.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
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@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
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@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I'm watching England v Argentina. All England are doing is booting anything from inside their own half and then waiting for Argentina mistakes.
That is what we used to be famous for. Sure we've had some brilliant attackers. But the aura was built on tough uncompromising defence, strong set piece work and relentless pressure placed on an opposition who will inevitably fold
We also used to be famous for 10 man rugby.
That's what I was getting at
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Crazy-Horse but in the past 20 years or so we have been sucked into the illusion that good rugby is only scoring tries, and been pretty successful at it meaning we seem to have largely lost the ability to grind wins...no way could we have done what England did today, we'd have been pushing for tries all day.
Maybe in the late McCaw era, maybe. But you are right, winning ugly is still winning
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@taniwharugby We'd be pushing the 50:50s and dinks
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@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
Super rugby success as a captain doesn't automatically translate to being a successful test captain. I'm non-plussed over Ardie or Sam or Scooter, but Sam had big losses to France and Ireland on one tour, and Scooter has a card habit.
I really don't think the result would have been different if one of those two, who let's not forget were both on the field as senior players, were captain.
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France 2007 they only got 2
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@Nepia said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@akan004 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Captaincy seems to be an issue no matter who is captain.
Another brainless decision. You don't select Ardie to be your captain when he has won nothing as a captain. The obvious picks would be Whitelock and Barrett who are SR winning captains, Whitelock would be my preferred choice due to his seniority.
Super rugby success as a captain doesn't automatically translate to being a successful test captain. I'm non-plussed over Ardie or Sam or Scooter, but Sam had big losses to France and Ireland on one tour, and Scooter has a card habit.
I really don't think the result would have been different if one of those two, who let's not forget were both on the field as senior players, were captain.
the only way the result changes is if you have a captain who is prepared to completely disregard what the coach just told them to do.
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I can’t believe people are blaming the injuries or the officials, when let’s be honest the key reason the All Blacks lost this game and lost it by a big margin is that they played really, really badly.
If you are blaming the ref, missing players or the boogie, you are really clutching at straws for an awful performance.
