All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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our handling is the most concernign parts
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the NPC last night where the ref did his best stay out of the game, versus this, its a different game.
People keep saying this - so please tell us which calls he shouldn't have made today?
I think you're being deliberately obtuse.
Rugby is a sport where you can find a penalty at every ruck. Refs can do this, and you can then ask the question 'which call shouldn't have been made today'? What I want to see from refs is consistency, particularly around materiality. What shits supporters is the appearance of different standards during the game, or between teams.
3 penalties then a card 35 m out suggests a tightly whistled game; ignoring ball killing by SA late in the half will then have people asking whether that's consistent.
There is a lot of subjectivity, and there's a lot of pearl clutching on here, but the quality of the refereeing and the law interpretations aren't great. It's very hard to ref this game well, and the best refs generally let non-material things flow. As someone said, it's refs looking like they don't want attention, vs being at the centre of it.
This ref feels like a penalty for every ruck, and a card for most players. It's technically 'not wrong' but you'd struggle to say it's good. I've been frustrated with the framework and application of laws for a while, particularly around the inconsistencies from week to week.
Anyhoo, good physical but limited work from the Bokke. Well played, we've been defending really well, and playing some stupid stupid footy.
Thank you for writing this.
To cheer on this ref performance is completely disingenuous.
and to bitch and moan cos our team is losing and blaming the refs "style" is >>>>>????
NZ have been shite, but they are chasing the game now. The ref was not as "busy" when black had the ball as he was when green had the ball. That's all people are saying.
Be pedantic. But be pedantic for both sides.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
our handling is the most concernign parts
Particularly in the forwards anywhere within 3m of a ruck.
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@Machpants especially having played 40 mins with less than 15
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Holy shit guys.... we have played with 14men for all but the first 10mins ....
We have made numerous errors , exits in particular have been costly and our ball security has been appallingly bad plus some of our options with the ball in hand have been pretty average - that's on the players.
We have never really got ourselves in to the game .. that's the concerning thing .. but I still believe this is exactly what we needed pre RWC (injuries and cards aside) a big old wake up call.
Hard to single out a solid AB performer today
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Watching the NPC last night where the ref did his best stay out of the game, versus this, its a different game.
People keep saying this - so please tell us which calls he shouldn't have made today?
I think you're being deliberately obtuse.
Rugby is a sport where you can find a penalty at every ruck. Refs can do this, and you can then ask the question 'which call shouldn't have been made today'? What I want to see from refs is consistency, particularly around materiality. What shits supporters is the appearance of different standards during the game, or between teams.
3 penalties then a card 35 m out suggests a tightly whistled game; ignoring ball killing by SA late in the half will then have people asking whether that's consistent.
There is a lot of subjectivity, and there's a lot of pearl clutching on here, but the quality of the refereeing and the law interpretations aren't great. It's very hard to ref this game well, and the best refs generally let non-material things flow. As someone said, it's refs looking like they don't want attention, vs being at the centre of it.
This ref feels like a penalty for every ruck, and a card for most players. It's technically 'not wrong' but you'd struggle to say it's good. I've been frustrated with the framework and application of laws for a while, particularly around the inconsistencies from week to week.
Anyhoo, good physical but limited work from the Bokke. Well played, we've been defending really well, and playing some stupid stupid footy.
Thank you for writing this.
To cheer on this ref performance is completely disingenuous.
and to bitch and moan cos our team is losing and blaming the refs "style" is >>>>>????
NZ have been shite, but they are chasing the game now. The ref was not as "busy" when black had the ball as he was when green had the ball. That's all people are saying.
Be pedantic. But be pedantic for both sides.
The team getting smashed doesn't get the rub of the green from the ref. Welcome to rugby.
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@Mattasaurus Telea
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Holy shit guys.... we have played with 14men for all but the first 10mins ....
We have made numerous errors , exits in particular have been costly and our ball security has been appallingly bad plus some of our options with the ball in hand have been pretty average - that's on the players.
We have never really got ourselves in to the game .. that's the concerning thing .. but I still believe this is exactly what we needed pre RWC (injuries and cards aside) a big old wake up call.
Hard to single out a solid AB performer today
Telea has been brilliant.
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I’m struggling to think of players who can make a difference. Frizzell. I suppose retallick. Taylor instead of Coles.
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@Mattasaurus yea we have been poor, and sure architects of our own demise, but I honestly cannto see us being this rubbish again
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Tim’s favourite flanker shining in defence there.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Mattasaurus yea we have been poor, and sure architects of our own demise, but I honestly cannto see us being this rubbish again
exactly mate
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Great try
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Ah well is that our worst defeat to the Boks? Another record for Fozz.
