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    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Its speed of clearance and decision making

    The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners

    By the end of the game it was very hard for me to watch the other players, his ability to not just get to but predict accurately where every ruck and breakdown was about to happen and position himself was like a free masterclass. We have been very lucky to have Aaron Smith in the All Blacks.

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    @Tordah said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on McReight.

    His insistence on playing out from deep looked to me like he was playing what he'd been told. An uncomfortable game plan combined with crap ball could throw anyone. I'd have been throwing the ball at the coach, it's pretty unfair.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Tordah said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Still, thought McKenzie had a bit of a mare. Crap attacking kick option, needlessly kicked dead once, shit defense on McReight.

    His insistence on playing out from deep looked to me like he was playing what he'd been told. An uncomfortable game plan combined with crap ball could throw anyone. I'd have been throwing the ball at the coach, it's pretty unfair.

    Yes because that earlier game where he was playing flat he was a different player. I wonder if they were trying something out or they just don't think Christie can handle passing to a flat 10?

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    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    I thought McKenzie was our worst player by a mile.

    Nepo says hello. Too slow on D and back to his customary handling errors.

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    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @frugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Its speed of clearance and decision making

    The first period of play when Smith came on made it the most evident. Was just bang bang bang. Smith was at every breakdown before it even happened and just feeding players. Those 2-3 seconds are huge when you're trying to hit lines or runners

    I will counter by saying, I'm not sure that is as much of a criticism of Christie as it is a praise of Smith. Nobody in the world offers the speed and consistency and service he does - not even Dupont. In that regard, he is the best.

    Nah man, Christie was slow to get there and then compounded that by being slow to make a poor decision. Which leads to things like props throwing the ball to no one.

    Find me a halfback with something even close to the speed of delivery of Smith. Weber is probably the nearest, but even then it is a noticeable drop.

    Not to say Roigard and Fakatava aren't really good, but they aren't close to Smith when it comes to speed of delivery.

    It's not about being Smith good, it's about being halfback good.

    At least pick one of the 3 facets there to get right - arrival, distribution or decision making.

    Not tackling.

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    @Bovidae Yes, Nepo was also very poor.

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    Seems to me Lomax, De Groot are our top two, Newell and WIlliams (in that order) have potential, Laulala is back in the rear, not sure exactly where I'd put Ofa, doesn't really stand out anywhere but didn't make obvious errors to me either..

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    Is Finau really challenging Shannon? I'd imagine Shannon shades him in the lineouts (as that is "apparently" a perceived strength) but Finau looks more physical. If Jacobson is the clear utility backup, that makes things even harder for Akira (also a 6/8).

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    Is Finau really challenging Shannon? I'd imagine Shannon shades him in the lineouts (as that is "apparently" a perceived strength) but Finau looks more physical. If Jacobson is the clear utility backup, that makes things even harder for Akira (also a 6/8).

    I don't think he is, but it was great to see we have someone who can easily step up at 6 without Frizzel. I saw in the pre match highlights Finau wearing 8 for the chiefs too...

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    @mencey said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    The worst half of Rugby from the all blacks I have ever seen just about

    Didn't watch 3rd Ireland test last year?

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    @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

    LOL -
    They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

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    @Frank And what the heck does this even mean?

    1. Luke Jacobson: Just 10 minutes given to a player the selectors surely wanted to see more from. N/R
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    I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

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    @Frank said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @SBW1 said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/132680760/all-blacks-player-ratings-ardie-savea-shines-in-win-over-wallabies-in-dunedin

    LOL -
    They give Finlay Christie a 6 and Aaron Smith a 6.

    Thanks, I certainly shan't read that one

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    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

    He's been worse than Cheika used to be! Doesn't look happy eh.

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    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    I know I am a small petty man - but by gawd I like watching Eddie Jones rage a bit - that said the Wobblies are still a good sniff in RWC - that draw and that team - barring injuries - will be dangerous enough

    Eddie vs Cheika during England vs Australia was top box stuff, shame this year didn't seem to have the same fireworks but at least Cheika got some revenge:

    Jul 13, 2023

    Eddie Jones’ rivalry with Michael Cheika reignites as Wallabies hunt seven-year first

    Eddie Jones’ rivalry with Michael Cheika reignites as Wallabies hunt seven-year first

    Jones’ rivalry with Cheika reignites as Wallabies hunt seven-year first

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    @Bones said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    @Frank And what the heck does this even mean?

    1. Luke Jacobson: Just 10 minutes given to a player the selectors surely wanted to see more from. N/R

    I believe N/R means No rating.

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    Aus with the choke

    Not mental, they ran out of air

    Excellent comeback from NZ. The big time players stood up big time

    Fitting way for Nugget to say goodbye

    Feel for DMac. Shit being outside Ginge and made terrible choices under pressure

    At this stage, Eddie will be the happier of the two coaches going into the RWC

    Barring injuries and some seriously stupid play they should win the Pool and meet Argentina in the QF

    By that stage, it's a case of last man standing but their passage to a SF and a massive over achievement based on current results and ranking looks more likely than NZ's

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    @Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:

    No way should Finau or Christie be getting on the plane.

    50% correct at full time

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    Ofa T had his best game in black IMO. He should be on the plane. It seems he has given his silly penalties to Williams.

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