All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
But to put all change to luck isn't fair. There is no doubt that there have been lessons learned over the past 18 months. Certainly new assistants have helped, but there is a noticeable change in the way we play, and you cannot deny that there is definite growth in many individuals.
lol, he said "bit of luck" and you have re-written his comments and to mean it was all just luck?
While I would also agree and say there has been a significant amount of soul searching and learnings taken from the last 18 months. Changing of other coaching staff having a significant impact as well.
Has there been an improvement in 2023?, significantly and from a couple of players in particular and credit has to be given, shit even i concede I was not expecting the growth from a few players.
Injuries forced them into trying some new selections (they admit to that), that they were not initially willing to try. Luck? Fate? Is doesn't really matter, we will never know. Outcomes did show us though, that by making those choices, better players succeeded in those new positions.
But to change the whole narrative by suggesting that @taniwharugby believes everything that was successful was based purely off chance... is as you put it is also unduly harsh.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Foster and co seem to set great store on looking at people in camp as well as on the field (e.g Shaun Stevenson) so it's possible they've already looked at Roigard and decided he's their man to finish a game and Christie needs to prove he can start.
Nobody knows, but if Christie doesn't step up, it's poss. we could end up with a AS/BW/CR trio.
You're right about no-one knowing for sure, but Christie has pretty clearly been number 2 for the past 18 months - even if his hold on that position has been a bit shaky. It would be pretty odd if they dump him now. If there was any real thought of that, surely they would have given Roigard more time.
I reckon they're going to trust to luck that neither Smith nor Christie gets injured, but if they do, they can either bring in Weber or trust Roigard. There will be time before the RWC knockout matches to give Cam game time, in case he happens to be needed.
It's a pretty long bow, but when the ABs have played anyone other than Wales or minnows with Brad in the team, we've got a pretty poor record - but, along with selection patterns, it seems they don't think he's what they need.
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look, this place is real boring at the moment. if i can't put words in a guys mouth and then argue that, then what else am i going to do. work?
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@Chris-B the simple fact is, i don't reckon we can win the World Cup with any other halfback that isn't Smith, so who goes as 2 and 3 really doesn't matter.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B the simple fact is, i don't reckon we can win the World Cup with any other halfback that isn't Smith, so who goes as 2 and 3 really doesn't matter.
in every practical aspect i agree
on paper we COULD win with other halfbacks...but we'd have to change how we played to compliment a different halfback rather than just putting someone else in there and expecting them to be as good as smith....but we wont/cant do that
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B the simple fact is, i don't reckon we can win the World Cup with any other halfback that isn't Smith, so who goes as 2 and 3 really doesn't matter.
in every practical aspect i agree
on paper we COULD win with other halfbacks...but we'd have to change how we played to compliment a different halfback rather than just putting someone else in there and expecting them to be as good as smith....but we wont/cant do that
in fairness, not many teams can. Key players are key players for a reason.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
I'm starting to wonder if we have been keeping our powder dry for the past couple of years
In that case it was desiccated before hand, placed in a dehumidifier and stored on the Atacama Desert considering the losses to Argentina and Ireland.
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South Africa 1 last year was the bottom for me. God we sucked, and the scoreline flattered us.
The turnaround in 7 days was enormous
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
look, this place is real boring at the moment. if i can't put words in a guys mouth and then argue that, then what else am i going to do. work?
You could always try to write some insightful analysis, or ask Tim why he can believes Dalton is always better in the team than Sam.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
look, this place is real boring at the moment. if i can't put words in a guys mouth and then argue that, then what else am i going to do. work?
You could always try to write some insightful analysis, or ask Tim why he can believes Dalton is always better in the team than Sam.
when i watch rugby i am too drunk for the first, and not drunk enough for the 2nd
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B the simple fact is, i don't reckon we can win the World Cup with any other halfback that isn't Smith, so who goes as 2 and 3 really doesn't matter.
in every practical aspect i agree
on paper we COULD win with other halfbacks...but we'd have to change how we played to compliment a different halfback rather than just putting someone else in there and expecting them to be as good as smith....but we wont/cant do that
Yeh I'm not sure he is 100% vintage Smith and still a bit up and down, and Roigard is fairly similar in how he would fit with the team but has more snipe factor so I wonder if there really is daylight now.
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Losing to Argentina, not once but twice was one of the lowest points in ABs history. That is Foster's legacy. He then had two new coaches forced on him by NZR, at least he chose those well. He had our starting props, and starting 12 forced on him through injury - along with others. So luck or, more accurately, circumstances beyond his control have put him in this position. However, everyone in the media is bigging up the 10-game undefeated run. That's not a winning run. And there were some shit games in there, and lucky scrape wins. Foster is riding his luck, and I hope it holds until he wins the RWC. But even if he does, his legacy is one good year, 3 years of utter tripe - not good enough for more
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@Machpants the unmentioned player in this is Vaa’i. Are they taking 3 or 4 locks? Not sure if a player has done less to retain a squad position. Hard when he doesn’t play much but I can’t think of a game where he has shown that he is a starting international lock. Athletic but for international rugby your locks really need that huge physical presence. Lord hasn’t played much either.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Dunedin is soft now
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/132680961/early-drinking-discouraged-before-afternoon-all-black-testa thousand down votes
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
Dunedin is soft now
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/132680961/early-drinking-discouraged-before-afternoon-all-black-test’We are mindful of when people start drinking, some people will start drinking at lunchtime prior to the game,’’ Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond said.
Lunchtime ? If they were really dedicated they’d be drinking at the crack of dawn.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Australia - Bledisloe II:
South Africa 1 last year was the bottom for me. God we sucked, and the scoreline flattered us.
The turnaround in 7 days was enormous
For me it was losing a home series to Ireland. They looked well-coached, innovative and sure of their game-plan. We looked out of ideas. Some of their star players being Kiwis (with Maori or Pacific heritage to boot) was the icing on the cake. The only positive was that we didn’t lose at Eden Park.
